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#131: After the wigs came the dress. False. The article cited under #129 for Ellen White's counsel against the heavy hairpieces of the day is dated 1871. The "reform dress" was introduced more than six years earlier in 1865. Thus the dress came before the counsel on heavy hairpieces, not after.

#132: Ellen White tried to force a strange style of dress on her female followers. False. As pointed out under #128, Ellen White was against forcing the reform dress on anyone.

No evidence is given under "Point 68" in the Documentation Package to substantiate that Ellen White tried to force the reform dress on anyone.

#133: The dress was hot. It was not hot. Consider carefully what ladies' dresses were like at the time:

As to the reasons for a need of reform in women's dress at that time, the New York Independent in 1913 painted a vivid picture:

The chief points in the indictment of woman's dress of former times were that the figure was dissected like a wasp's, that the hips were overloaded with heavy skirts, and that the skirts dragged upon the ground and swept up the dirt.

Nowadays the weight of a woman's clothing as a whole is only half or a third of what it used to be. Four dresses can be packed in the space formerly filled by one. In the one-piece dresses now in vogue the weight is borne from the shoulders, and the hips are relieved by reducing the skirts in weight, length, and number. The skirt no longer trails upon the street. . . .

The women who, for conscientious reasons, refused to squeeze their waists, and in consequence suffered the scorn of their sex, now find themselves on the fashionable side. A thirty-two-inch waist is regarded as permissible, where formerly a twenty-inch waist was thought proper. A fashionably gowned woman of the present day can stoop to pick up a pin at her feet.--New York Independent, Oct. 23, 1913. . . . (Ellen G. White: The Progressive Years 177, 178)

In contrast, the reform dress proposed by Ellen White was much lighter. It also kept the limbs better covered in winter, and thus warmer. At the same time, since the trunk had fewer layers on it than in the typical style of dress, the trunk was cooler:

It is not conducive to health to have many coverings over the abdomen and small of the back, while the extremities are left almost destitute of clothing. Reason teaches that the parts of the body which have the most clothing will have the greatest amount of heat. At every pulsation of the heart, the blood should be propelled to the extremities quickly and easily in order to have health. We plead for the warm, lined pants in winter, that the blood may be induced to the extremities, that they may not by scanty clothing be robbed of their due proportion of blood. The current of human life is (Health Reformer 5/1/1872)

No evidence is given under "Point 68" in the Documentation Package to substantiate that the reform dress was hot.

#134: The dress was uncomfortable. It was not uncomfortable. There was not a heavy weight on the hips as in the typical style of dress:

Another serious evil is the wearing of skirts so that their weight must be sustained by the hips. This heavy weight, pressing upon the internal organs, drags them downward and causes weakness of the stomach and a feeling of lassitude, inclining the wearer to stoop, which further cramps the lungs, making correct breathing more difficult. (Ministry of Healing 292)

The female form should not be compressed in the least with corsets and whale bones. The dress should be perfectly easy that the lungs and heart may have healthy action. The dress should reach somewhat below the top of the boot; but should be short enough to clear the filth of the sidewalk and street, without being raised by the hand. A still shorter dress than this would be proper, convenient, and healthful for females, when doing their housework, and especially, for those women who are obliged to perform more or less out-of-door labor. With this style of dress, one light skirt, or, at most two, are all that is necessary, and these should be buttoned on to a waist, or suspended with straps. The hips were not formed to bear heavy weights. The heavy skirts worn by females, their weight dragging down upon the hips, have been the cause of various diseases, which are not easily cured, because the sufferers seem to be ignorant of the cause which has produced them, and they continue to violate the laws of their being by girding the waists and wearing heavy skirts, until they are made life-long invalids. Many will immediately exclaim, "Why such a style of dress would be old-fashioned!" What if it is? I wish we could be old-fashioned in many respects. If we could have the old-fashioned strength that characterized the old-fashioned women of past generations it would be very desirable. I do not speak unadvisedly when I say that the way in which women clothe themselves, together with their indulgence of appetite, is the greatest causes of their present feeble diseased condition. There is but one woman in a thousand who clothes her limbs as she should. Whatever may be the length of the dress, females should clothe their limbs as thoroughly as the males. This may be done by wearing lined pants gathered into a band and fastened about the ankle, or made full and tapering at the bottom; and these should come down long enough to meet the shoe. The limbs and ankles thus clothed are protected against a current of air. If the limbs and feet are kept comfortable with warm clothing, the circulation will be equalized, and the blood will remain healthy and pure, because it is not chilled or hindered in its natural passage through the system. (Selected Messages 2:478, 479)

In contrast with the popular dress of the day, the reform dress was quite comfortable.

No evidence is given under "Point 68" in the Documentation Package to substantiate that the reform dress was uncomfortable.

#135: The dress was bulky. It was not bulky. The following was written just before the introduction of the reform dress. The reform dress was designed to avoid such problems as these:

Many females drag down the bowels and hips by hanging heavy skirts upon them. These were not formed to sustain weights. In the first place, heavy quilted skirts should never be worn. They are unnecessary, and a great evil. The female dress should be suspended from the shoulders. (Selected Messages 2: 473)

In contrast with the popular dress of the day, the reform dress was anything but bulky.

No evidence is given under "Point 68" in the Documentation Package to substantiate that the reform dress was bulky.

#136: The dress was long. It was not long, by contemporary standards. In fact, such a dress was called a "short dress":

Sisters who have opposing husbands have asked my advice in regard to their adopting the short dress contrary to the wishes of the husband. I advise them to wait. I do not consider the dress question of so vital importance as the Sabbath. Concerning the latter there can be no hesitation. But the opposition which many might receive should they adopt the dress reform would be more injurious to health than the dress would be beneficial. Several of these sisters have said to me: "My husband likes your dress; he says he has not one word of fault to find with it." (Testimonies for the Church 1:522)

At that time, many spiritualists were adopting a short dress that came to the knee. The public generally were outraged by such a novelty. The fashion at the time was to wear a long dress that swept up the filth of the streets. The reform dress avoided both these extremes, thus being more healthful without outraging the public:

My views were calculated to correct the present fashion, the extreme long dress, trailing upon the ground, and also to correct the extreme short dress, reaching about to the knees, which is worn by a certain class. I was shown that we should shun both extremes. By wearing the dress reaching about to the top of a woman's gaiter boot we shall escape the evils of the extreme long dress, and shall also shun the evils and notoriety of the extreme short dress. (Ibid. 464)

How more balanced could Ellen White have been?

No evidence is given under "Point 68" in the Documentation Package to substantiate that the reform dress was long.

#137: Faithful sisters struggled. False. The dress was eventually dropped because:

1. Many "faithful" sisters wouldn't quit complaining.
2. Other "faithful" sisters, as noted under #128, wouldn't quit pushing the matter on people.
3. Other "faithful" sisters wouldn't use good taste in preparing the dress.

That this is true can be seen from the following quotations:

In some places there is great opposition to the short dress. But when I see some dresses worn by the sisters, I do not wonder that people are disgusted and condemn the dress. Where the dress is represented as it should be, all candid persons are constrained to admit that it is modest and convenient. In some of our churches I have seen all kinds of reform dresses, and yet not one answering the description presented before me. Some appear with white muslin pants, white sleeves, dark delaine dress, and a sleeveless sack of the same description as the dress. Some have a calico dress with pants cut after their own fashioning, not after "the pattern," without starch or stiffening to give them form, and clinging close to the limbs. There is certainly nothing in these dresses manifesting taste or order. Such a dress would not recommend itself to the good judgment of sensible-minded persons. In every sense of the word it is a deformed dress. (Testimonies for the Church 1:521, 522)

In a vision given me at Battle Creek, January 3, 1875, I was shown the state of things which I have here represented, and that the wide diversity in dress was an injury to the cause of truth. That which would have proved a blessing, if uniformly adopted and properly worn, had been made a reproach, and, in some cases, even a disgrace.

Some who wore the dress sighed over it as a heavy burden. The language of their hearts was: "Anything but this. If we felt free to lay off this peculiar style, we would willingly adopt a plain, untrimmed dress of ordinary length. The limbs could be as warmly clothed as before, and we could secure all the physical benefits, with less effort. It requires much labor to prepare the reform dress in a proper manner." Murmuring and complaining were fast destroying vital godliness. (Ibid. 4:637)

#138: The dress was cumbersome. No it was not: See #133, #134, #135, and #136.

#139: Ellen White gave no explanation for stopping wearing hers. False. She explained it well:

In preparing my wardrobe, both long and short dresses were made. Of the former, there were one or two for travelling, and to appear in before those who are ignorant of our faith and of dress reform, whose minds are balancing in favor of the truth. We do not wish to bring before such hearers any question that is not vital, to divert their minds from the great and important subject, for Satan takes advantage of everything that can possibly be used to divert and distract minds.

I had explained all this fully. But notwithstanding all this, my sisters were so weak they could not appreciate my motives, and were too glad of a pretext to lay aside the reform dress making my example their excuse. I had felt that, for me, discretion was highly essential while laboring in California, for the salvation of souls. With Paul, I could say I became all things to all if by any means I might save some. I did not do anything secretly. I frankly gave my reasons. But unsanctified hearts which had long galled and chafed under the cross of dress reform, now took occasion to make a bold push and throw off the reform dress. They have taken advantage of my necessity to misinterpret my words, my actions, and motives.

My position upon health and dress reform is unchanged. I have been shown that God gave the dress reform to our sisters as a blessing, but some have turned it into a curse, making the dress question a subject of talk and of thought, while they neglected the internal work, the adorning of their souls by personal piety. Some have thought religion consisted in wearing the reform dress, while their spirits were unsubdued by grace. They were jealous and fault finding, watching and criticizing the dress of others, and in this neglected their own souls and lost their piety.

If the dress reform is thus turned to a curse, God would remove it from us. God bestowed blessings upon ancient Israel and withdrew them again because those blessings were despised and became a cause of murmuring and complaint. (Pamphlet 104 10-12)

Ellen White was very plain. She had explained why she temporarily had stopped wearing the reform dress. But as it is now, so it was then: Many wanted to misconstrue her motives and ignore her explanation.

The Documentation Package makes no attempt to substantiate this charge.

Ellen White said non-vegetarians can't go to heaven. She never made an extreme statement like this. Ellen White is quite balanced in her statements on meat eating. In 1905, the September 1st issue of Life and Health and the November 13th issue of Bible Echo carried this statement:

Yet it might not be best to discard flesh food under all circumstances. In certain cases of illness and exhaustion -- as when persons are dying of tuberculosis, or when incurable tumors are wasting the life forces -- it may be thought best to use flesh food in small quantities. But great care should be taken to secure the flesh of healthy animals. The danger of contracting disease by eating flesh is increasing. It is a very serious question whether there is safety in using animal food at all. It would be better to discard it under all circumstances than to use that which is diseased.

If she taught that those who aren't vegetarians when Jesus comes can't go to heaven, why would she say something like this?

The Documentation Package under "Point 70," "substantiates" this charge with two statements. The first is from page 380 of Counsels on Diet and Foods. This in turn is taken from page 119 of Christian Temperance and Bible Hygiene:

Again and again I have been shown that God is trying to lead us back, step by step, to his original design,--that man should subsist upon the natural products of the earth. Among those who are waiting for the coming of the Lord, meat-eating will eventually be done away; flesh will cease to form a part of their diet.

Clearly, she did not say that people who were not vegetarians would not go to heaven. Instead she said that those who were waiting for Christ's return would eventually cease to eat meat.

That this is ultimately true can be seen from the following Scriptures:

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. (Rev. 21:4)

And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. (Is. 11:7)

The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD. (Is. 65:25)

Anyone who isn't a vegetarian the day before Christ's return will be a vegetarian the day after. Even the lions will be vegetarians in the new earth.

The second statement in the Documentation Package is originally from page 352 of Testimonies, volume 2:

Grains and fruits prepared free from grease, and in as natural a condition as possible, should be the food for the tables of all who claim to be preparing for translation to heaven.

The meaning of this will be apparent shortly.

What both the video and the Documentation Package omit is the original context of the first statement which shows the biblical basis for such a statement:

When God led the children of Israel out of Egypt, it was his purpose to establish them in the land of Canaan a pure, happy, healthy people. Let us look at the means by which he would accomplish this. He subjected them to a course of discipline, which, had it been cheerfully followed, would have resulted in good, both to themselves and to their posterity. He removed flesh-food from them in a great measure. He had granted them flesh in answer to their clamors, just before reaching Sinai, but it was furnished for only one day. God might have provided flesh as easily as manna, but a restriction was placed upon the people for their good. It was his purpose to supply them with food better suited to their wants than the feverish diet to which many of them had been accustomed in Egypt. The perverted appetite was to be brought into a more healthy state, that they might enjoy the food originally provided for man, -- the fruits of the earth, which God gave to Adam and Eve in Eden.

Had they been willing to deny appetite in obedience to his restrictions, feebleness and disease would have been unknown among them. Their descendants would have possessed physical and mental strength. They would have had clear perceptions of truth and duty, keen discrimination, and sound judgment. But they were unwilling to submit to God's requirements, and they failed to reach the standard he had set for them, and to receive the blessings that might have been theirs. They murmured at God's restrictions, and lusted after the fleshpots of Egypt. God let them have flesh, but it proved a curse to them.

Again and again I have been shown that God is trying to lead us back, step by step, to his original design,--that man should subsist upon the natural products of the earth. Among those who are waiting for the coming of the Lord, meat-eating will eventually be done away; flesh will cease to form a part of their diet.

Several biblical points are brought out here:

1. The first vegetarian on the planet was Adam (the eating of meat was not permitted until over 1600 years later, after the Flood).
2. God largely withheld meat from the diet of the Israelites.
3. They wanted meat anyway, so God gave it to them.
4. It proved a curse to them.

The biblical incident about God giving the Israelites flesh to eat at their request is found in Numbers 11. The Israelites were complaining about the manna, a food made by the angels (see Ps. 78:25):

Then Moses heard the people weep throughout their families, every man in the door of his tent: and the anger of the LORD was kindled greatly; Moses also was displeased. (Num. 11:10)

Rather rude, wouldn't you say? So God said:

Sanctify yourselves against to morrow, and ye shall eat flesh: for ye have wept in the ears of the LORD, saying, Who shall give us flesh to eat? for it was well with us in Egypt: therefore the LORD will give you flesh, and ye shall eat. Ye shall not eat one day, nor two days, nor five days, neither ten days, nor twenty days; But even a whole month, until it come out at your nostrils, and it be loathsome unto you: because that ye have despised the LORD which is among you, and have wept before him, saying, Why came we forth out of Egypt? (18-20)

Some didn't live long enough to eat the flesh for a whole month:

And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague. (33)

Now all this happened on their trip from Mt. Sinai to Kadeshbarnea. How far is it between the two?

There are eleven days' journey from Horeb by the way of mount Seir unto Kadeshbarnea. (Deut. 1:2)

At Kadesh they sent twelve spies into the land of Canaan. Ten came back and said, We can't conquer the land. Two, Caleb and Joshua, came back and said, God is able to deliver the land into our hand. The people went with the majority report, rebelled once again, and tried to stone Caleb and Joshua:

But all the congregation bade stone them with stones. (Num. 14:10)

As a result, they had to wander around in the wilderness till all that generation was dead.

Psalm 106 gives us the secret to why the Israelites rebelled at Kadesh:

They soon forgat his works; they waited not for his counsel: But lusted exceedingly in the wilderness, and tempted God in the desert. And he gave them their request; but sent leanness into their soul.

So they rebelled because they had skinny souls. The effects of eating the flesh for a whole month till it came out their nostrils had not yet completely worn off at Kadesh.

Flesh was not the best article of diet for the Israelites. It affected their dispositions to the point that they could not react properly when the trials and tests came their way. Even so, God never told them, "If you don't stop eating flesh, you can't enter Canaan."

Back to waiting for and preparing for the second coming:

Among those who are waiting for the coming of the Lord, meat-eating will eventually be done away; flesh will cease to form a part of their diet.

Grains and fruits prepared free from grease, and in as natural a condition as possible, should be the food for the tables of all who claim to be preparing for translation to heaven.

1 John is clear:

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. (3:2, 3)

1 John has a lot to say about overcoming sin. There is a work of preparation to be done, of giving all our sins to Jesus, and relying on Him for the power to overcome temptation.

Since the eating of flesh does affect the disposition, and since the hormones and chemicals in flesh do affect the body's processes in a negative way, it is ideal for those who are seeking to purify themselves of every moral defilement in these last days to consider giving up the eating of flesh. It will only be a few days earlier than when we all will have to anyway.

Regarding hormones, imagine the adrenaline and other chemicals coursing through the veins of the animal that is cramped in a crowded truck on its way to the slaughterhouse. Undoubtedly it knows something is wrong. Though its intelligence is not like ours, the horrors of the slaughterhouse surely cause a physical reaction in it before its death, sending hormones throughout its body.

Animals are frequently killed that have been driven quite a distance for the slaughter. Their blood has become heated. They are full of flesh, and have been deprived of healthy exercise, and when they have to travel far, they become surfeited, and exhausted, and in that condition are killed for market. Their blood is highly inflamed, and those who eat of their meat, eat poison. (Selected Messages 2:418)

And then there are all the chemicals that have been injected into it. And the feeding to it of things that God never planned for it to eat, like the feeding to cows in Great Britain of both dead sheep and dead cows, which brought on the Mad Cow Disease catastrophe. Disease in animals has been increasing.

A very serious objection to the practice of meat eating is found in the fact that disease is becoming more and more widespread among the animal creation. The curse because of sin causes the earth to groan under the inhabitants thereof, and every living thing is subject to disease and death. Cancers, tumors, diseases of the lungs, the liver, the kidneys, all exist among the animals that are used for food. Until late years we have never heard of anything approaching to the variety of diseases now apparent in the animal creation. It is stated that out of a herd of twenty cattle, the inspectors accepted only two; from another herd of one hundred, only twenty-five were accepted as having no apparent disease. The only way to avoid contracting disease from the use of flesh meats is to discard them altogether. Persons will do this much more readily if they have an intelligent knowledge of the dangers that attend the eating of the flesh of dead animals. (Manuscript Releases 7:421)

Of course, the Bible told us this would be the case:

For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. (Rom. 8:19-22)

The earth shall wax old like a garment. (Is. 51:6)

Some animals are sent off to market when it looks like they might die:

I am instructed to say that if meat eating ever were safe, it is not safe now. Diseased animals are taken to the large cities and to the villages, and sold for food. Many of these poor creatures would have died of disease in a very short time if they had not been slaughtered; yet the carcasses of these diseased animals are prepared for the market, and people eat freely of this poisonous food. Such a diet contaminates the blood and stimulates the lower passions. (Medical Ministry 280)

There's a lot of wisdom in what Ellen White actually did say.

Before we can start on the road or be put on the road to salvation, we must keep the law. If this is true, which it is not, why did Ellen White say this:

Then come, and seek, and find. The reservoir of power is open, is full and free. Come with humble hearts, not thinking that you must do some good work to merit the favor of God, or that you must make yourself better before you can come to Christ. You are powerless to do good, and cannot better your condition. Apart from Christ we have no merit, no righteousness. Our sinfulness, our weakness, our human imperfection make it impossible that we should appear before God unless we are clothed in Christ's spotless righteousness. We are to be found in Him not having our own righteousness, but the righteousness which is in Christ. Then in the name that is above every name, the only name given among men whereby men can be saved, claim the promise of God, saying, "Lord, forgive my sin; I put my hands into Thy hand for help, and I must have it, or perish. I now believe." The Saviour says to the repenting sinner, "No man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John 14:6), "and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out" (John 6:37). "I am thy salvation" (Ps. 35:3). (Selected Messages 1:333, 334)

The question will come up, How is it? Is it by conditions that we receive salvation?--Never by conditions that we come to Christ. And if we come to Christ, then what is the condition? The condition is that by living faith we lay hold wholly and entirely upon the merits of the blood of a crucified and risen Saviour. When we do that, then we work the works of righteousness. But when God is calling the sinner in our world, and inviting him, there is no condition there; he draws by the invitation of Christ, and it is not, Now you have got to respond in order to come to God. The sinner comes, and as he comes and views Christ elevated upon that cross of Calvary, which God impresses upon his mind, there is a love beyond anything that is imagined that he has taken hold of. And what then? As he beholds that love, why he says that he is a sinner. Well, then, what is sin? Why at once he has to come here to find out. There is no definition given in our world but that transgression is the transgression of the law; and therefore he finds out what sin is. And there is repentance toward God; and what then?--why, faith toward our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ that can speak pardon to the transgressor. (Sermons and Talks 1:121)

Ellen White knew that the Bible teaches that we cannot truly obey God until we have come to Christ, that we "are powerless to do good." So if we wait until we are keeping the law before we start on the road to salvation, we will never get on the road, for it is totally impossible to obey without Jesus in the heart.

As pointed out under #144, this point made by Mr. Martin is contradicted by the point he makes just two sentences and a quotation later.

#142: No patience with those who say I am saved. The quotation is both out of context and rearranged, as the Documentation Package clearly shows under "Point 71." Two quotations from two different periodicals have been fused into one. The two quotations were written seven years apart. The second one is not from Signs of the Times, an American Journal, but from Bible Echo, an Australian Journal. The portions omitted reveal clearly what Ellen White was trying to say, which I think most evangelicals can agree with:

We are never to rest in a satisfied condition, and cease to make advancement, saying, "I am saved." When this idea is entertained, the motives for watchfulness, for prayer, for earnest endeavor to press onward to higher attainments, cease to exist. No sanctified tongue will be found uttering these words till Christ shall come, and we enter in through the gates into the city of God. Then, with the utmost propriety, we may give glory to God and to the Lamb for eternal deliverance. As long as man is full of weakness,--for of himself he cannot save his soul,--he should never dare to say, "I am saved." It is not he that putteth on the armor that can boast of the victory; for he has the battle to fight and the victory to win. It is he that endureth unto the end that shall be saved. The Lord says, "If any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him." If we do not go forward from victory to victory, the soul will draw back to perdition. We should raise no human standard whereby to measure character. We have seen enough of what men call perfection here below. God's holy law is the only thing by which we can determine whether we are keeping his way or not. If we are disobedient, our characters are out of harmony with God's moral rule of government, and it is stating a falsehood to say, "I am saved." No one is saved who is a transgressor of the law of God, which is the foundation of his government in heaven and earth. (Advent Review 6/17/90)

But the doctrine is now largely taught that the gospel of Christ has made the law of God of none effect; that by "believing" we are released from the necessity of being doers of the word. But this is the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which Christ so unsparingly condemned. To the church of Ephesus He says, "I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars; and hast borne, and hast patience, and for My name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember then from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate."

Those who are teaching this doctrine to-day have much to say in regard to faith and the righteousness of Christ; but they pervert the truth, and make it serve the cause of error. They declare that we have only to believe on Jesus Christ, and that faith is all-sufficient; that the righteousness of Christ is to be the sinner's credentials; that this imputed righteousness fulfils the law for us, and that we are under no obligation to obey the law of God. This class claim that Christ came to save sinners, and that he has saved them. "I am saved," they will repeat over and over again. But are they saved while transgressing the law of Jehovah?--No; for the garments of Christ's righteousness are not a cloak for iniquity. Such teaching is a gross deception, and Christ becomes to these persons a stumbling-block as he did to the Jews,--to the Jews because they would not receive him as their personal Saviour; to these professed believers in Christ, because they separate Christ and the Law, and regard faith as a substitute for obedience. They separate the Father and the Son, the Saviour of the world. Virtually they teach, both by precept and example, that Christ, by his death, saves men in their transgressions. (Bible Echo 2/25/1897)

#143: No patience with those who say I am saved. As can be seen from the context, Ellen White was not being impatient with Christians who dare to say, "I am saved."

The quote from Advent Review: As pointed out under #66, the word "salvation" or "saved" can have different meanings:

1. It might refer only to justification, which is conversion, and pardon.
2. It might refer to both justification and sanctification. Sanctification is the Christian's daily growth in Christ.
3. It might refer to justification, sanctification, and glorification. Glorification is the "redemption of our body" that takes place at the second coming. Paul spoke of the "redemption of our body" in Romans 8:23.

Most individuals who talk about when they were "saved" are talking about justification and conversion. This must be the definition Mr. Martin is using here.

Actually, I've never met anyone who meant that they were already glorified when they said they were "saved," though I know that there are people out there who believe that way. The problem is that, when they come to die, they receive a rude awakening that they never really were glorified. Once we are glorified, our body will never die. The "redemption of our body" cannot take place before the second coming.

Ellen White was not talking about folks who said they were "saved" in the sense that they were justified and converted. The quotation therefore does not fit the point being made. Rather, she was talking about those who meant they were "saved" in a total sense, and no longer needed to believe or obey, or do as Paul describes in this verse:

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. (1 Cor. 9:27)

The quote from Bible Echo: Ellen White was not denouncing the biblical doctrines of justification by faith in Christ and righteousness by faith, as the video seems to imply. Rather, she was denouncing the practice of living like the devil while claiming to be saved. Someone who earns his living as a hit man or a dope dealer can't just say, "I am saved," and expect to make it into heaven. He must repent of his sins and let Jesus take them away. He has to quit his job.

In fact, many evangelicals would say that dope dealers and hit men who continue to live like the devil aren't really Christians and were never really saved. Looking at it in this light, it cannot be said that Ellen White had no patience with "Christians" who dare to say, I am saved, since she wasn't talking about "Christians." Evangelicals of this persuasion would agree with Ellen White that "such pervert the truth."

Other evangelicals may want to call practicing dope dealers and hit men "Christians" or "professed Christians," if they profess to be a Christian. These evangelicals will notice that Ellen White was talking about only a certain class of "Christians": those who are not living a Christ-like life and feel that they are released from obeying God's commandments.

The idea that the Christian is released from obeying God's law goes contrary to the following New Testament Scriptures:

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Mat. 5:19)

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor. 6:9, 10)

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (Gal. 5:19-21)

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 Jn. 2:3, 4)

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. (Mat. 1:21)

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (1 Jn. 3:4)

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (Rom. 6:1, 2)

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. (Rom. 6:12, 13)

Clearly, the Christian is not released from the necessity of seeking to obey God's commandments. The false teaching that Ellen White is confronting is totally contrary to the New Testament Scriptures just quoted.

#144 & #145: "The Adventist view of salvation is that Jesus made the down payment for our salvation at the cross, but once you've accepted his offer of salvation you've got to keep making up the monthly installments." (Ibid.)

#144: Adventists believe that Jesus made the down payment for our salvation. Thus, assuming that Adventists do base their beliefs on Ellen White, which they don't, Mr. Martin is contradicting himself. Two sentences and a quotation back, he said:

Ellen G. White stressed the keeping of the letter of the law along with many added rules to put one on the road to salvation.

Which is it? Did Jesus make the down payment? Or must we keep the law in order to put ourselves on the road to salvation? It can't be both ways. Either one or the other (or both) of Mr. Martin's statements is incorrect.

If Jesus paid it all, which He did, then His payment puts us on the road to salvation. Our obedience to the law does not.

#145: Adventists believe that Jesus made the down payment for our salvation, but we must make the monthly installments. Thus it is suggested that Adventists believe we partially earn our salvation. This is false. First of all, and most importantly, such a position contradicts the Scriptures:

Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? (Gal. 3:3)

Secondly, and less importantly, such a position contradicts Ellen White:

We hear so many things preached in regard to the conversion of the soul that are not the truth. Men are educated to think that if a man repents he shall be pardoned, supposing that repentance is the way, the door, into heaven; that there is a certain assured value in repentance to buy for him forgiveness. Can man repent of himself? No more than he can pardon himself. Tears, sighs, resolutions--all these are but the proper exercise of the faculties God has given to man, and the turning from sin in the amendment of a life which is God's. Where is the merit in the man to earn his salvation, or to place before God something that is valuable and excellent? Can an offering of money, houses, lands, place yourself on the deserving list? Impossible! . . .

When men learn they cannot earn righteousness by their own merit of works, and they look with firm and entire reliance upon Jesus Christ as their only hope, there will not be so much of self and so little of Jesus. Souls and bodies are defiled and polluted by sin, the heart is estranged from God, yet many are struggling in their own finite strength to win salvation by good works. Jesus, they think, will do some of the saving; they must do the rest. They need to see by faith the righteousness of Christ as their only hope for time and for eternity. (Faith and Works 25, 26)

The proud heart strives to earn salvation; but both our title to heaven and our fitness for it are found in the righteousness of Christ. The Lord can do nothing toward the recovery of man until, convinced of his own weakness, and stripped of all self-sufficiency, he yields himself to the control of God. Then he can receive the gift that God is waiting to bestow. (Desire of Ages 300)

The last statement said that we can earn neither our title nor our fitness. What did this mean?

Righteousness within is testified to by righteousness without. He who is righteous within is not hard-hearted and unsympathetic, but day by day he grows into the image of Christ, going on from strength to strength. He who is being sanctified by the truth will be self-controlled, and will follow in the footsteps of Christ until grace is lost in glory. The righteousness by which we are justified is imputed; the righteousness by which we are sanctified is imparted. The first is our title to heaven, the second is our fitness for heaven. (Advent Review 6/4/1895)

One might compare justification (pardon, conversion, and the beginning of the Christian life) to the "down payment," and sanctification (the daily growth in Christ) to "monthly installments." Thus it is crystal clear that the Adventist position, assuming that Ellen White is here describing the Adventist position (which she is), is that we can earn neither our title nor our fitness, neither our justification nor our sanctification, neither the down payment nor the monthly installments. Thus no part of salvation can be earned. All of it is through faith in the righteousness of Christ.

#146: Adventists do not rely upon the grace of God alone. This is not what Adventists believe, nor what Ellen White taught:

Only through the blood of the Crucified One is there cleansing from sin. His grace alone can enable us to resist and subdue the tendencies of our fallen nature. (God's Amazing Grace 104)

Like a roaring lion, Satan is seeking for his prey. He tries his wiles upon every unsuspecting youth; there is safety only in Christ. It is through His grace alone that Satan can be successfully repulsed. (God's Amazing Grace 108)

Christ. His grace alone can quicken the lifeless faculties of the soul, and attract it to God, to holiness. (God's Amazing Grace 120)

Divine grace is needed at the beginning, divine grace at every step of advance, and divine grace alone can complete the work. (God's Amazing Grace 220)

It was by self-surrender and confiding faith that Jacob gained what he had failed to gain by conflict in his own strength. God thus taught His servant that divine power and grace alone could give him the blessing he craved. (God's Amazing Grace 279)

And the list could go on.

#147: Adventists are striving to be rigidly obedient. Actually, there isn't as much striving to be obedient to God as there ought to be. Over a period of ten years, I pastored ten churches in three states, as well as visited other states and countries, and I think I ought to know. The members I had in my churches would tell you that there is a bit of laxity in the Adventist Church.

#148: Adventists are inflexible, guilt-ridden legalists. Probably every denomination has its legalists. I had one coming to my church once, back in the '80's. She didn't seem guilt-ridden at all, on the outside. I wish she had felt guilty for all the trouble she was causing. Every time I talked to her about it, she would talk about all the good things she had done, as if that could buy her pardon.

Personally, I'm not sure that many legalists feel guilty. Legalism is a way to get rid of guilt, not cause it. As Paul said,

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. (Rom. 7:6-13)

The law tells us what God requires. When we realize that we fall short, we feel guilty.

Legalism leads one to think that by obeying the law, he can earn salvation. He thinks that his partial, imperfect, self-centered "obedience" is really obedience, which it isn't. As the individual deceives himself into thinking that he really is obeying, guilt to a large degree goes away.

On the other hand, when an individual realizes what God requires, and seeks to obey, he soon finds out that he has a problem:

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. (Rom. 7:14-23)

This is a necessary experience to go through for the one who is seeking Christ. Such an experience reveals to us our great weakness apart from Christ. Then we know Whom we must rely upon for strength and power to live the Christian life:

O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. (Rom. 7:24, 25; 8:1, 2 )

The gospel is beautiful, isn't it?

Ellen White: Transgressors can't be saved. What she meant was that unrepentant transgressors can't be saved (see #142 for the context of this statement). It is the clear teaching of the New Testament that we must repent if we want to be saved.

Mr. Martin could have just as well said:

Despite modern Adventist attempts to soften law-keeping, the apostle Paul's teachings are unmistakable. "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Cor. 6:9, 10)

Despite modern Adventist attempts to soften law-keeping, the apostle John's teachings are unmistakable. "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 Jn. 2:3, 4)

Despite modern Adventist attempts to soften law-keeping, the apostle Peter's teachings are unmistakable. "And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him." (Acts 5:32)

Despite modern Adventist attempts to soften law-keeping, the apostle Jude's teachings are unmistakable. "Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him." (Jude 14, 15)

Despite modern Adventist attempts to soften law-keeping, the apostle James's teachings are unmistakable. "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty." (James 2:10-12)

Despite modern Adventist attempts to soften law-keeping, Jesus's teachings are unmistakable. "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Mat. 5:17-20)

God forbid that any believer or preacher would say such things! Jesus came to save us "from our sins," and we must allow Him to do this grand and glorious work in us.

#150: We're under the New Covenant. This is a popular antinomian argument. Yet it doesn't really make sense in the light of the only New Testament passage which describes the New Covenant:

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people. (Heb. 8:7-10)

First of all, the passage clearly says that the problem with the first covenant was the people, not the law. This agrees with Romans 7:12's statement that "the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good."

Secondly, the passage clearly says that the New Covenant is God's writing His laws in our hearts and minds. This totally disproves the assertion that we do not have to obey the law under the New Covenant.

One way to look at it is that the people attempted an impossibility under the Old Covenant. They themselves attempted to write God's laws in their hearts and minds, instead of letting God do it:

And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. (Ex. 19:8)

And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do. (Ex. 24:3)

And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. (Ex. 24:7)

In contrast, under the New Covenant, we allow God to write His laws in our hearts and minds through the blood of Jesus.

To say that we do not have to keep the law under the New Covenant is to destroy one of the most basic facets of the New Covenant.

#151: Christ is the end of the law. This too is a popular antinomian argument. Yet it contradicts what Christ said:

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. (Mat. 5:17-20)

It would also make Paul contradict himself:

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (Rom. 3:31)

So what does "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth" (Rom. 10:4) mean?

Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy. (James 5:11)

Apparently, "end" has more than one meaning, unless we want to say that the "Lord" has ended.

It would make sense to have "end" in Romans 10:4 mean "that which the law leads to." This would make the text parallel the thought of Galatians 3:24, 25, which says,

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The law tells us what God requires and what sin is. When we realize our helplessness to atone for the past and to live in the present, we are drawn to Christ as our only hope. Through this means, the law leads us to Christ. In this way, Christ is the "end" of the law, but to say that the law has ended is to make the Bible contradict itself.

No longer under a schoolmaster. It seems to be implied here that no longer being under the tutorship of the law means that we don't have to worry about keeping the law, and that trying to obey the law means that we are still under the law. However, interpreting Paul's usage of the phrase "under the law" or "under a tutor" in this way is highly inaccurate.

Certainly, Paul did not mean that we can continue to kill and hate and fornicate and lust and steal and covet and lie and still go to heaven. The same book of Galatians says:

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (5:19-21)

We must ask ourselves why people who do such things can't enter heaven. The next verses answer this question:

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. (5:22, 23)

Clearly, what excludes the unrepentant murderer, fornicator, and thief from heaven in New Testament times is the law of God. Yet the believer is not under the law:

But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. (5:18)

Why is it that those who are led of the Spirit are not under the law?

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. (5:16, 17)

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. (5:24, 25)

Let's summarize what these verses in Galatians are saying:

1. Unrepentant murderers can't go to heaven, because there is a law against that.
2. There is a war between the flesh and the Spirit, so that we ourselves are powerless to do what is right.
3. If believers walk in the Spirit, they will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
4. Such believers who are not fulfilling the lusts of the flesh are not under the law.

Clearly, the believer who is not under the law will also be keeping the law. He is no longer fulfilling the lusts of the flesh and doing the works of the flesh which the law says will cause him to be excluded from heaven.

The next sequence of verses will lead us to the same conclusion through a different line of reasoning:

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. (Gal. 3:23)

Whatsoever is not of faith is sin. (Rom. 14:23)

Since faith had not yet come for those who were kept under the law, we could accurately say that those who were under the law were not yet under faith. Since whatsoever is not of faith is sin, those who are not under faith must still be under sin. Therefore, those who are under the law are also under sin.

But what does it mean to be under sin? What is sin?

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (1 Jn. 3:4)

So those who are under sin are actually those who are breaking the law. Therefore, those who are under the law must be those who are breaking the law. It then follows that to be under the law must mean to be condemned by the law.

Consequently, it makes no sense to talk about a transgressor who is not under the law, or a law-keeper who is still under the law. Someone who is truly keeping the law cannot be under the law, and someone who is breaking the law is automatically under the law. This agrees with what Paul wrote:

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. (Rom. 6:14, 15)

The law's purpose is to shut the mouth of both Jew and Gentile, and to make both Jew and Gentile guilty before God:

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. (Rom. 3:19)

Is it only Jews who are under the law, or are Gentiles under the law as well, though they do not realize it?

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. (1 Cor. 9:20, 21)

So every transgressor, whether Jew or Gentile, is under the law.

Now for our conclusion:

Some time ago, when we were passing through Oswego, N. Y., we saw two stern officers, and with them two men were coupled, carrying in their hands large leaden balls. We did not come to the conclusion that they had been keeping the law of the State of New York, but that they had been breaking it, and that they could not walk at liberty because they were transgressors of the law. We were trying to live in harmony with all the laws of the State of New York, and with the law of God; and we were walking at liberty,--we were not under the bondage of the law. If we live in harmony with the life of Christ, with the law of God, that law does not condemn us--we are not under the bondage of the law. (Advent Review 1/4/1887)

There is full assurance of hope in believing every word of Christ, believing in Him, being united to Him by living faith. When this is his experience, the human being is no longer under the law, for the law no longer condemns his course of action. (In Heavenly Places 144)

Christians will keep God's commandments out of love. This statement is one of the more prominent contradictory statements in the video. It destroys the force of other arguments the video makes.

The logic is indeed self-destructive: We do not need to bother with keeping the law. Christians will keep the law because they love God.

It can't be both ways. It has to be one way or the other. Either Christians should keep the law of God and refrain from murder, adultery, theft, and lies, or they do not need to worry about that at all and can continue all the old perversions they used to do before they came to Christ.

If Mr. Martin's statement that Christians will keep the law because they love God is true, which it is, then whether they are indeed keeping the law or not is an indicator of how much they love God. So refusing to keep a commandment of God in the Bible is evidence that we do not really love God.

Why would Mr. Martin or anyone else contradict himself in this way? Actually, this kind of thing happens pretty often, for a specific reason. It typically is done by someone trying to avoid one of the Ten Commandments. Which one do you think Mr. Martin might be trying to avoid? Is he trying to convince us that it is all right for Christians to dishonor their parents, kill, fornicate, steal, lie, covet, have other gods in place of God, bow down to images, or take God's name in vain? Where is he going with all this strange reasoning?

Mr. Martin's statement that Christians are to keep God's commandments out of love is biblically sound. Here are thirteen verses from the New Testament which support the idea, some stronger than others:

If ye love me, keep my commandments. (Jn. 14:15)

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. (Jn. 14:21)

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. (Jn. 15:10)

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (Mat. 22:37-40)

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. (Rom. 13:8)

Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. (Rom. 13:10)

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (Gal. 5:14)

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. (1 Jn. 5:2, 3)

And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. (2 Jn. 1:6)

This connection between love to God and commandment keeping is also found in the Old Testament in eleven verses:

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. (Ex. 20:6; Deut. 5:10)

Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations. (Deut. 7:9)

Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway. (Deut. 11:1)

And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul. . . . (Deut. 11:13)

For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him. . . . (Deut. 11:22)

If thou shalt keep all these commandments to do them, which I command thee this day, to love the LORD thy God, and to walk ever in his ways; then shalt thou add three cities more for thee, beside these three. (Deut. 19:9)

In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it. (Deut. 30:16)

But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul. (Josh. 22:5)

And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments. (Neh. 1:5)

And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments. (Dan. 9:4)

Mr. Martin is definitely correct when he says that Christians will keep God's commandments out of love.

Being under the law leads to sin. The thought apparently being brought is this: Obeying the law leads to sin. However, this thought contradicts Paul:

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. (Rom. 7:7)

Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. (Rom. 7:12, 13)

According to the New Testament, the law merely tells us what sin is. It cannot save us:

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. (Rom. 3:20)

As we saw under #152, "under the law" means "under the condemnation of the law." Therefore it is more natural to say that sinning leads to being under the law, not being under the law leads to sinning.

Since "sin is the transgression of the law" (1 Jn. 3:4), obeying the law certainly does not lead to sin, for obeying the law does not lead to breaking the law!

The text cited, 1 Cor. 15:56, is an interesting one. What does it mean? Consider the thoughts on this very verse found in these well-known commentaries not written by Seventh-day Adventists:

[N]ot that the law of God is sinful, or encourages sin: it forbids it under the severest penalty; but was there no law there would be no sin, nor imputation of it; sin is a transgression of the law: moreover, the strength of sin, its evil nature, and all the dreadful aggravations of it, and sad consequences upon it, are discovered and made known by the law; and also the strength of it is drawn out by it, through the corruption of human nature; which is irritated and provoked the more to sin, through the law's prohibition of it; and this is not the fault of the law, but is owing to the vitiosity of nature; which the more it is forbidden anything, the more desirous it is of it; to which may be added, that sin is the more exceeding sinful, being committed against a known law, and that of the great lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy; whose legislative power and authority are slighted and trampled upon by it, which makes the transgression the more heinous; it is the law which binds sin upon a man's conscience, accuses him of it, pronounces him guilty, curses, condemns, and adjudges him to death for it. (John Gill's An Exposition of the Old and New Testament)

The strength of sin. Its power over the mind; its terrific and dreadful energy; and especially its power to produce alarm in the hour of death.
Is the law. The pure and holy law of God. This idea Paul has illustrated at length in Rom. 7:9-13, and he probably made the statement here in order to meet the Jews, and to show that the law of God had no power to take away the fear of death; and that, therefore, there was need of the gospel, and that this alone could do it. The Jews maintained that a man might be justified and saved by obedience to the law. Paul here shows that it is the law which gives its chief rigour to sin, and that it does not tend to subdue or destroy it; and that power is seen most strikingly in the pangs and horrors of a guilty conscience on the bed of death. There was need, therefore, of the gospel, which alone could remove the cause of these horrors, by taking away sin, and thus leaving the pardoned man to die in peace. (Barnes' New Testament Notes)

Without the law sin is not perceived or imputed (Rom. 3:20; 4:15; 5:13). The law makes sin the more grievous by making God's will the clearer. (Rom. 7:8-10) (Jamieson, Faussett, and Brown)

The law, broken, is sin, and when this law is consciously broken the conscience is wounded. When a moral law is broken, moral death follows. If there was no law of any kind, there would be no sin, no wounded consciences, no moral death. See Rom. 7:7. (Peoples New Testament Notes)

Grace leads to holiness and righteousness. This too, similar to #153, is contradictory and self-destructive to Mr. Martin's principal argument. If we do not have to worry about keeping the law under the gospel of grace, why would that grace lead to holiness? It just doesn't make sense.

The Old Testament connects holiness with commandment keeping:

That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God. (Num. 15:40)

The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways. (Deut. 28:9)

The New Testament connects righteousness with commandment keeping:

And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. (Lk. 1:6)

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Rom. 8:4)

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. (2 Pet. 2:21)

The Old Testament connects righteousness with commandment keeping as well:

And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us. (Deut. 6:25)

O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea: Thy seed also had been as the sand, and the offspring of thy bowels like the gravel thereof; his name should not have been cut off nor destroyed from before me. (Is. 48:18, 19)

Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings. (Is. 51:7)

The last two texts clearly connect commandment keeping with the fulfillment of both God's covenant with Abraham and the New Covenant. Isaiah 48 refers to God's promise to Abraham that his seed would be as numerous as the sand of the sea. Isaiah 51 refers to the New Covenant promise that God's law will be written in our hearts (cf. Gen. 22:17; Heb. 10:16; Jer. 31:33). Thus, once again, we see that the righteousness of Christ offered through the New Covenant of grace is vitally connected to the commandments of God.

According to Paul, God accounts a Gentile who is not a Jew to be a Jew if he keeps the righteousness of the law:

Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? (Rom. 2:26)

This is not to say that righteousness comes by the law, for this idea the New Testament emphatically denies. Rather, the gospel of grace leads one to keep the law. To quote Ellen White,

[John Wesley] continued his strict and self-denying life, not now as the ground, but the result of faith; not the root, but the fruit of holiness. The grace of God in Christ is the foundation of the Christian's hope, and that grace will be manifested in obedience. Wesley's life was devoted to the preaching of the great truths which he had received--justification through faith in the atoning blood of Christ, and the renewing power of the Holy Spirit upon the heart, bringing forth fruit in a life conformed to the example of Christ. (Great Controversy 256)

The one commandment that so many would like to avoid, and to avoid which many are willing to adopt such illogical reasoning as is found in this video, is the fourth commandment. This is the commandment that tells us to keep the Sabbath holy.

To say that the grace of God leads to holiness while seeking to avoid obedience to the fourth commandment is itself contradictory, for the Sabbath is connected to holiness and is a sign of sanctification:

Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. (Ex. 31:13)

Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. (Ezek. 20:12)

Since "sanctification" and "holiness" are from the same root words in both Old Testament Hebrew and New Testament Greek, the Sabbath can properly be said to be a sign of holiness as well as a sign of sanctification. So if the grace of God does in fact lead to holiness, which it does, surely it will lead to obedience to the fourth commandment as well as to obedience to the other nine!

#156: Pre-advent judgment of works is incompatible with gospel of grace. It would appear that this statement makes the Bible contradict itself:

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. (Rev. 14:6, 7)

The Greek is even more emphatic. "Is come" is in the perfect tense, and should properly be translated "has come." Thus the angel is declaring, "The hour of His judgment has already begun."

The next event portrayed is the second coming:

And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. (Rev. 14:14-16)

Thus before the second coming we have the gospel being preached in all the world, and that gospel includes the message that the judgment has already commenced. If the gospel of grace cannot include a judgment which commences before Christ returns, then the gospel of grace that Paul taught is a different gospel than the one brought to view in Revelation 14:6, 7. Yet Paul himself taught that there is no other true gospel:

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Gal. 1:8, 9)

It therefore follows that the true gospel of grace must be compatible with the biblical teaching that the judgment commences before Christ returns.

But what about our works being judged? Even though #62 already quoted these verses, we will quote them again here to show that the Bible teaches that our works will be judged in the judgment:

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Eccl. 12:13, 14)

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. (Mat. 12:36, 37)

So according to Jesus Himself in the last verse, even our words will be considered in the judgment.

But does this "judgment of works" "determine salvation"?

The word "salvation" means different things to different people. Some equate it with conversion, forgiveness, or justification, while others equate it with arriving in heaven, as already mentioned under #66 and #143.

Adventists have taught for over a century that conversion and justification must take place before an individual is judged in the judgment announced in Revelation 14:

In the typical service only those who had come before God with confession and repentance, and whose sins, through the blood of the sin offering, were transferred to the sanctuary, had a part in the service of the Day of Atonement. So in the great day of final atonement and investigative judgment the only cases considered are those of the professed people of God. The judgment of the wicked is a distinct and separate work, and takes place at a later period. "Judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel?" 1 Peter 4:17. (Great Controversy 480)

Therefore Adventists do not believe that the judgment determines conversion or justification. However, we do believe that the judgment determines who will arrive in heaven. This idea Jesus clearly taught in Matthew 12:36, 37.

Why does Jesus say that our words will "determine our salvation"? Mr. Martin's own statements under #153 and #155 reveal the answer: Our words and our actions show whether or not we love Jesus, and whether or not we have allowed the gospel of grace to take root in our lives. If the gospel has not taken root, there will be no fruit.

Our words and actions also show whether or not we have accepted the terms of the New Covenant, whether we have allowed Jesus to write His law in our hearts and minds or not, as promised in Hebrews 8:10. Simply put, if we refuse to allow Jesus to write His laws in our hearts and minds, we are not New Covenant, New Testament Christians, regardless of what we call ourselves. (The Greek word for "covenant" is the same as the Greek word for "testament.")

The Documentation Package lists in its index as "Point 72" the charge that Adventists believe that "Believers must keep the Law to be saved, and will be judged by their works." It seems to be a bit bizarre that when one turns to "Point 72," one finds only paragraph 9 from an article in the August 28, 1894, issue of the Advent Review. What makes it seem bizarre is that this long paragraph consists of 39 lines. Of those 39 lines, 30 lines are direct quotes of Bible verses in quotation marks. That leaves only 9 lines actually written by Ellen White. The 9 lines by Ellen White are to some degree allusions to and paraphrases of both the Scriptures quoted and other Scriptures not quoted. Every Scripture quoted or alluded to is found in the New Testament; none are found in the Old Testament.

Actually, the charge against Adventists found under "Point 72" must be really a charge against the teachings of the New Testament of the Holy Scriptures. The evidence is in the Documentation Package for all to see.

#157: Soul sleep introduced because of investigative judgment. This is simply untrue, as brought out under #59. The teaching that only God is immortal (1 Tim. 6:15, 16), and that the dead will be resurrected to receive their reward at the second coming of Jesus, not before, was introduced among the Millerites before 1844. Ellen White's family accepted it then, as the context for the statement under "Point 33" in the Documentation Package clearly shows.

The doctrine of the investigative judgment was not crystallized until 1857, though aspects of it had surfaced previously. The video makes a big point of the investigative judgment doctrine being developed after 1844, thus making it come after soul sleep was introduced, not before.

#158: The doctrine of soul sleep is unbiblical. During the Reformation, many individuals went back to the Scriptures as the only authority for faith and practice. Men like John Wycliffe, William Tyndale, Martin Luther, and a host of others, including many Anglicans and Anabaptists, while studying the Bible, became convicted that the dead are asleep. If the doctrine of soul sleep, also known as "conditional immortality, is so unbiblical, pray tell where did all these men of God come up with the idea from?

Actually, Mr. Martin is inadvertently making a powerful argument, drawn from the Holy Scriptures, for the doctrine of soul sleep. The Bible says:

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Rev. 22:12)

The judgment must take place before the rewards are given out in order to determine what those rewards should be. Additionally, this verse tells us that "every man" receives his reward at the second coming, not at death.

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. (Rev. 11:18)

This verse plainly lists the judgment first, and then the rewards. Since the rewards are not given out until the second coming, which must be after the judgment, what are the dead doing until then?

If it is true that we cannot die and are already immortal, then we need not believe on Jesus in order to have eternal life:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (Jn. 3:16)

According to the Bible, we must accept Jesus as our Savior in order to have eternal life. We therefore are not naturally, innately immortal.

Which is it? Must we accept Christ in order to have eternal life, or are our souls already immortal?

The New Testament points the bereaved to the hope of the resurrection. We will see our loved ones again who have died in Christ. But if our loved ones are already in heaven, why would we need a resurrection?

Under "Point 78" in the Documentation Package is a tract from MacGregor Ministries dealing with hell. The parable of the rich man and Lazarus (Lk. 16:19-31) is cited, which is a common enough reference for those to make who believe that our souls are innately immortal.

Yet this parable, if it really does bolster the idea that our souls are immortal, would also teach us that our souls have eyes, tongues, chests, and fingers. Again, if our soul is immortal, and if our soul has all the parts that our body does, why would we need a resurrection?

Jesus said:

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. (Jn. 14:1-3)

If our souls are already immortal, and if the dead are already with Jesus, why would Jesus need to return to get us?

In actuality, the doctrine of innate immortality undermines the biblical doctrines of the gospel, the resurrection, and the second coming.

Conditional immortality flies in the face of two Scriptures. Actually, it doesn't, unless we want to say that the Bible contradicts itself.

While conditional immortality seems to fly in the face of two Scriptures, innate immortality (the idea that something in us will not and cannot die, and is something that not even God has the power to kill) flies in the face of 265 verses found in 158 chapters taken from 35 books of the Bible. A paper containing all 265 verses is available for you to read by clicking here.

To illustrate the problem we are faced with, let us look at one concept that Mr. Martin is trying to drive home: that we are saved by faith and not by works. Yet this, it would seem, flies in the face of a passage from James:

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. (2:17-26)

Yet Paul clearly says in Galatians 2:16 that we are justified by faith apart from works of the law.

Does the Bible contradict itself, or is there a way to harmonize the two thoughts? I would expect every Bible-believing Christian to agree with me that there must be a way to harmonize James with Paul, and of course there is.

Mr. Martin has referred to two texts: 2 Corinthians 5:8 and Philippians 1:23. These must be harmonized with the 265 verses that seem to say something different. Since it is easier to harmonize two verses with 265 rather than 265 with two, let us look at the two first.

The context of 2 Corinthians 5:8 gives us an idea of what Paul is talking about:

For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. (vss. 1-4)

Paul in these verses is wishing for the day when he will receive a glorified body. I have never heard a Christian put this event at any other place than the future resurrection.

Clearly, Paul does not want to be a disembodied spirit. He says he does not want to be "naked." Rather, he wants to be clothed upon with his new body.

Now for the next verses in 2 Corinthians 5:

Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. (vss. 5-9)

When the time comes when we will both be absent from this body and receive our new body, we will literally be present with the Lord. There is nothing necessarily incompatible here with the idea that the dead await the resurrection in their graves.

Let us look now at the context of Philippians 1:23.

For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you. (vss. 21-24)

Unlike the previous passage, this one seems to put the believer with Christ at death. But two points should be noted about both of these passages: 1) Neither passage says that those who have died are not really dead. 2) Neither passage says that the dead are conscious. Thus neither passage really contradicts the following crystal clear verses:

The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence. (Ps. 115:17)

Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. (Ps. 146:3, 4)

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. . . . Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. (Eccl. 9:5, 6, 10)

These verses say that the dead do not praise God, cannot think, and do not know anything. The fact is that neither 2 Corinthians 5:8 nor Philippians 1:23 contradicts these simple, plain, Bible facts.

Another basic problem with innate immortality is the way the Bible uses the Greek and Hebrew words for "soul" and "spirit." To read a paper outlining 157 verses which use these Hebrew and Greek words in ways that are incompatible with the doctrine of innate immortality, click here.

The Documentation Package under "Point 77" merely gives photocopies of the two verses Mr. Martin cited. It makes no attempt at all to explain the 265 Bible verses that indicate that man does not have innate immortality.

Adventists do not teach the biblical doctrine of hell. Actually, we do teach the biblical doctrine of hell, and always have.

Adventists, unlike Jehovah’s Witnesses, do believe that the Bible should be taken literally when it says that hell will have fire. For instance Adventists believe what Mal. 4:1, 3 says:

For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. . . . And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Thus Adventists really do believe that the fire of hell will burn up the wicked as the Bible says. We also believe what Ps. 37:9-11, 20 says:

For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. . . . But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

We also believe what John 3:16 says:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Thus we believe that only believers in Christ will have eternal life. All those who refuse to believe in Christ will perish in hell's fire.

Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. (Ezek. 28:18)

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil. (Heb. 2:14)

The context of the first verse shows that it is talking about Satan. Adventists do indeed believe these simple Bible verses. We believe that one thing Jesus accomplished by dying on the cross was the gaining of the right to destroy Satan in the lake of fire.

When it's all over:

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. (Rev. 20:4)

If the wicked did have eternal life in hell fire, though they never accepted Christ, and if they were never burned up, though the Bible says they will be, then Revelation 20:4 is a lie. Sorrow, crying, and pain would continue forever instead of being never more like this verse plainly states.

Of the 265 verses in the paper dealing with conditional mortality referred to under #159, 148 verses from 88 chapters from 27 biblical books deal with this very question. If you would like to read the paper in its entirety, click here.

This allegation is dealt with under "Point 78" and "Point 78a" in the Documentation Package. A tract by MacGregor Ministries is reproduced which indicates in its first paragraphs that Adventists do not think hell is hot. This of course is not true. Adventists believe that hell will be so hot, it will burn up the entire earth, just like the Bible says:

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. (2 Pet. 3:10)

The tract does not deal with the 148 verses of Scripture that support the idea that "the wages of sin is death." It does however make this statement:

When we really believe the word of God as it is written, and don't try to "figuratize" or "spiritualize" it away as the cults do. . . .

The inadvertent clear implication of these words is that Seventh-day Adventism is not a cult. Adventists do not spiritualize the Word of God away when it says that Satan and the wicked will be "consumed," "destroyed," :"turned into ashes," "perish," and "never be any more." It would almost appear that MacGregor Ministries is calling itself a cult since it does not take the Bible literally when it uses such language.

The basic point is that we do believe in hell, and always have, and we believe it is hot, very hot.

This subject raises an interesting point.

Three times in Rev. 21 and 22, the Lord says who will be inside the city, and who will be outside the city when the fire falls:

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev. 21:7, 8)

And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. . . . And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. (Rev. 21:24, 27)

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. (Rev. 22:14, 15)

Each of the three passages mentions sins that will exclude people from heaven. The only sin mentioned in all three passages is not sabbath breaking. It isn't even murder or stealing or adultery. It's lying. Lying is the only sin mentioned in all three lists.

Thus it appears that the contributors to this video may be on dangerous ground. The video contains many errors and inaccuracies. Apparently, in order to make the Adventist Church out to be a cult, facts are repeatedly misconstrued.

To play it safe, since lying can exclude people from the blessings of eternal life, the best course would be for the contributors to the video to repent, confess, and seek to make things right as far as possible. The Lord is merciful, and He will pardon, for Jesus died and shed His blood that every sin repented of might be forgiven.

Sabbath keeping is a mark of true loyalty to God. The narrator goes so far as to call the Adventist view on this subject "severe" under #179. Is it really severe?

Adventists do believe that Sabbath keeping is a mark of true loyalty to God. But to declare such a belief severe cannot be correct, according to Mr. Martin's own testimony. In fact, according to him, to declare such a belief severe is to essentially deny the gospel.

How so? Mr. Martin inadvertently admitted that Sabbath keeping is a mark of true loyalty to God when he said under #153 that:

Christians are to grow in grace and keep God's commandments out of a love for Him. . . .

Also under #155 he said:

In contrast, being under grace leads to holiness.

As pointed out under #155, the Bible connects holiness with both commandment keeping and the Sabbath.

By Mr. Martin's own reasoning, if a Christian absolutely refuses to keep one of God's commandments, a commandment which he knows about, he doesn't really love God, and is therefore not being loyal to God. Also, he is rejecting the holiness that is the result of being under grace.

The fourth commandment of the Ten Commandments is different from the other nine, except perhaps for the second, in one very important particular:

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another. (Rom. 2:14, 15)

Whether it is obeyed or not, every Christian and non-Christian has a conscience that tells him what is right and what is wrong. Jews and Gentiles, Christians and heathen, all have a sense that murder, theft, and adultery is wrong. The awareness that such things are wrong seems built into man's very nature.

In theology, such awareness is called "natural law." This isn't Adventist theology. The average Adventist will think you are talking about health principles by the term "natural law," not moral principles built into the conscience.

Commandments that are not built into the conscience, commandments that you have to be told, are called "positive law." This is why the Sabbath commandment is called by the Catholic church a "most positive command." While an awareness of the need for periodic rest is built into us, an awareness of which day to rest upon is not. Thus it is something we have to be told, not something we naturally know.

The second commandment is also considered to be positive law. There is nothing built into man's being saying that we can't make an image of God and bow down to it.

The Catholic Church's official position is that they have no authority to change natural law, but that they do have authority to change positive law. Thus they teach that we may bow down to images and may keep the first day of the week instead of the seventh. Yet these teachings are directly contrary to the Ten Commandments as found in Scripture.

The point of this discussion is this: It may be a test of loyalty to God not to murder someone, but that is something we alrea