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#181 & #182: "So, even today, Seventh-day Adventists have made salvation ultimately dependent on which day of the week one worships." (Mark Martin) #181: Salvation ultimately dependent on which day. As pointed out in the lengthy quote under #176, Seventh-day Adventists for the last century and a half have taught that there are Sunday keepers who are bound for heaven and Sabbath keepers who are bound for hell. So this statement is incorrect. As under #66 and #143, it must be pointed out here that "salvation" in this context does not mean justification, conversion, forgiveness, or even sanctification. Mr. Martin's use of the word in this context must mean glorification. The salvation found in justification and conversion cannot be dependent on obedience to the fourth commandment, for until one is justified and converted, one cannot really obey the fourth commandment. Let us not forget what Mr. Martin himself said under #153:
#182: Which day of the week one worships on. Once again Mr. Martin incorrectly uses the present tense for the word "worship" when talking about an event that Seventh-day Adventists have consistently for a century and a half put in the future (see #176). Let us not forget what Mr. Martin himself said under #153:
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| "Seal Isn't Keeping the Sabbath" | |||
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#183 & #184: "Several New Testament Scriptures clearly identify the seal of God as a work of the Holy Spirit, not the keeping of a Sabbath day. For example Ephesians 4:30 plainly says, 'And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.' Mrs. White has no support at all for linking the seal of God with Sabbath keeping." (Ibid.) #183: Several New Testament Scriptures: seal is work of the Holy Spirit, not the keeping of the Sabbath. It isn't that simple. First of all, let's look at Revelation 7:2-4:
This verse makes the end-time seal out to be an object rather than the Holy Spirit. It is as if the angel were holding it in his hand. Yet Seventh-day Adventists do believe that the Holy Spirit is involved in this work of sealing:
The sealing work we believe to be a work of sanctification. This can be seen somewhat from Revelation 14:1:
Those sealed are not described as having the Holy Spirit in their foreheads, but rather the Father's name. This would signify that they fully belong to God and reflect His righteous character. That the Holy Spirit is the active agent in the sanctification process can be seen by these Scriptures:
So the Holy Spirit is the active agent in the work of sealing God's people, but He Himself may not be the end-time seal. Also, the last verse said that we are sanctified by the Spirit unto obedience. Obedience to what? In the book of Revelation, the seal of God is opposed to the mark of the beast. In chapter 13 we have a description both of the beast and of the enforcement of his mark. Next comes Revelation 14:1, already quoted, which mentions those who are sealed with the seal of God. Then comes the warning of the three angels, the last of which warns the world against taking the mark of the beast. All this is sandwiched between the following two verses:
These two verses indicate that this end-time struggle between the mark and the seal has something to do with the commandments. Consider also Isaiah 8:16:
The seal is to go in the forehead. The mark may go in either the forehead or the hand. This is imagery taken from the Old Testament: In Deuteronomy 5, Moses repeats the Ten Commandments. In 6:8 he says:
Again, this indicates that the end-time seal has something to do with the commandments. A seal shows ownership or authority. It shows who the ruler is who gave the law in question, and typically contains both his name and his title. Looking through the Ten Commandments, we find that eight or nine of them might be given by just about any god on the planet. Various gods command their adherents to be good moral people, not killing, not stealing, and not committing adultery. But the fourth commandment is different from the rest. It identifies the God who gave this holy law:
Only the Creator God, the God of heaven, the Living God, could have given the Ten Commandments. The fourth commandment contains His seal and identifies who the great Law Giver is. Interestingly, the emphasized words are quoted in the warning of the first angel of Revelation 14:
The fact that language found in Revelation's description of the seal-mark issue is taken from the fourth commandment is further evidence that the seal has something to do with the fourth commandment. Consider Romans 4:11:
Here the words sign and seal are used interchangeably to refer to circumcision, which at that time symbolized righteousness by faith. The Sabbath has likewise been a symbol of righteousness by faith, or sanctification:
This is true even in New Testament times:
Paul shows that, as in Old Testament times, the Sabbath is a sign that the believer is ceasing from his own works, that he is seeking to be saved and sanctified by faith. The Sabbath is a sign in New Testament times, therefore, of salvation by faith, not salvation by works. One other line of reasoning might be helpful, sort of the reverse of some of the above. The beast of Revelation 13 who has the mark is described the same as the little horn of Daniel 7. Daniel 7:25 says:
Protestants, and even some Catholics, used to say that this was the Papacy. The only commandment in the Decalogue having to do with time is the fourth. This is the only commandment of the ten that Rome thinks it has changed. Rome even claims that the change is a mark of her authority (see quotations under #180). Since the seal and the mark are opposed to each other, one would think that if the mark is a day of worship, the seal must be also. We have already mentioned above that the idea of the mark being placed in the forehead or the hand is an allusion to Deuteronomy 6:8, where we are told that the commandments are to be placed in our foreheads and our hands. We are to believe and love God's commandments with our minds, and put them into practice with our hands. In contrast, the beast wants us to believe and love, or at least do, his commandments, which are counterfeits of the true. Besides this allusion to Deuteronomy 6:8, Revelation 13 contains two other helpful allusions:
The first is an allusion to Daniel 3. The second is an allusion to Leviticus 25. In Daniel 3, we have a law enforcing false worship at a particular time:
The fact that Revelation 13 makes an allusion to this story implies that the seal-mark issue has to do not only with the commandments but also with the time of worship. We said that "causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast" is an allusion to Leviticus 25. This portion of Revelation 13:12 specifically says that the earth as well as its inhabitants are to worship the beast. In other words, the very dirt, the ground, the soil would worship the beast, not just the people living on the soil. Leviticus 25:2-4 contains the only biblical description of an act of worship on the part of the land:
We must conclude that, according to the Bible, the seal-mark issue not only has something to do with the Ten Commandments and the time of worship, but it must also have something to do with the keeping of a Sabbath. Lastly, consider what Ezekiel says:
Clearly, the seal of God protecting the believer from destruction is opposed in some way to sun worship. The religion of sun worship infiltrated the Christian church in the early centuries, and it was this infiltration that gave us Sunday as a day of worship. At least, this is what a journal published by the largest church in the world has said, a church that existed at the time the infiltration was taking place:
When I was in Hungary last fall, I visited some of the old cathedrals and saw emblems of the sun above many of the altars. This is clear evidence that fragments of sun worship did indeed infiltrate the church. Some might be concerned that some of the verses above spoke about Israel instead of Christians. Thus the question may be raised that maybe these things do not have anything to do with Christians. That such a conclusion is not warranted may be seen from the following verses:
Thus Gentiles are brought into the family of Israel without becoming circumcised Jews. So says the New Testament. Thus, when Revelation or elsewhere speaks of Israel today, Gentile Christians may be included, since they have been grafted into Israel. #184: Mrs. White has no
support at all for linking the seal with the Sabbath. That this
statement has no support at all can be seen from what appears immediately
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#185, #186, #187, #188, #189, & #190: "Christ's followers met on the Lord's Day resurrection day, for their worship and breaking of bread, not on the Jewish Sabbath." (Ibid.) #185: The Lord's Day is the resurrection day. Since the video apparently is trying to uplift the Bible as the authority for Christians, it may be assumed that Mr. Martin is using the Bible as his authority for this statement. Yet the Bible does not teach what he has said. The first time historically that an extant document equates the Lord's Day with the day of the resurrection is the last half of the second century, fifty years or more after the apostle John's death, and over a century after the death of our Lord. According to the Bible, the Lord's Day is the Sabbath:
One might ask who the LORD is who is calling the Sabbath His day. Throughout these last chapters of Isaiah it is apparent that Jesus Himself is speaking at times:
That this must be Jesus speaking is clear upon comparison with the following description of Jesus in the book of Revelation:
So when the LORD calls the Sabbath His day in Isaiah 58, it very well may be Jesus Himself who is calling the Sabbath His day. There is no solid biblical basis for calling any other day but the Sabbath the Lord's Day. And the fourth commandment specifically says that the seventh day of the week, not the first, is the Sabbath. Therefore we must conclude that the seventh day of the week is the Lord's Day according to the Bible, not the first day. That Christ arose on the first day of the week, and not the seventh day, can be seen from these Scriptures:
Jesus died on the day before the Sabbath (Lk. 23:54), Friday, and rose on the first day of the week, Sunday. For this reason, the two men on the way to Emmaus could say that Sunday, the first day of the week, was the third day since the crucifixion. Friday was the first day, Saturday was the second day, and Sunday was the third day. Clearly, Jesus must have risen on the first day of the week, not on the Lord's Day, the seventh day of the week. The Documentation Package describes "Point 89 & 89a" in the index in this way:
Turning to "Point 89" and "Point 89a," one finds a two-page tract by MacGregor Ministries. Amidst its many assertions, this tract makes no attempt to prove from the Scriptures that the first day of the week is the Lord's Day rather than the seventh day. #186: Christ's followers met regularly on the resurrection day for their worship. In all the New Testament, out of only eight references to the first day of the week, we have only one explicit instance of the disciples meeting on the first day of the week for worship. Let's take a look at all eight references. Five of them merely mention the fact that Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week (Mat. 28:1; Mk. 16:2, 9; Lk. 24:1; Jn. 20:1). In the sixth reference, on the day of the resurrection, the disciples were "assembled for fear of the Jews," not for worship (Jn. 20:19). In the seventh reference, Paul wrote:
This verse mentions nothing about church services. Instead it tells each of the believers at Corinth to "lay by him" the offering he felt he could give when Paul next came through town. Each believer must have had some place in his house where he could "lay by him" the offering he wanted to set aside. If he had put his offering into the offering plate at church, it would no longer be "by him." Thus, instead of being evidence in favor of regular Sunday church services, this text seem to be evidence against such a practice. That's seven of the eight references in the New Testament to the first day of the week. Now for the eighth and final reference:
This is the only explicit reference to a meeting for worship on the first day of the week. Yet notice that it was the night of the first day of the week. Since the biblical days begin at sunset, as Mr. Martin told us under #164, this would have to be Saturday night rather than Sunday night. Thus Paul met with the disciples on the first day of the week, Saturday night, and he was ready to depart on the morrow, Sunday morning. In other words, he resumed his journey on Sunday morning instead of going to church. It is really impossible to make a case for the early church keeping Sunday as a regular day of worship using only the New Testament. The tract under "Point 89a" in the Documentation Package mistakenly uses Acts 20:7 to prove that, for the early Christians,
Since the tract was put out by the co-producers of the video, and since Lorri MacGregor was the script writer, let me kindly quote what has been said heretofore on the video (see #74):
In all kindness, it should be pointed out that the writer of MacGregor Ministries' tract entitled "Seventh-day Adventism and the Sabbath" has added his or her own ideas and interpretations to the biblical text. Acts 20:7 nowhere says that the early Christians always fellowshipped on the first day of the week. It isn't even talking about Sunday, but rather Saturday night. Would it be fair to say that "the authority of God's Scripture and unchanging word is" being "challenged" by MacGregor Ministries thus altering and adding to the plain meaning of the text? In other words, would it be fair to suggest that the co-producers of the video are guilty of essentially doing what they have falsely accused an entire denomination of doing? The Master said,
And the apostle Paul said,
#187: Christ's followers did not meet for worship on the Sabbath. The book of Acts tells us differently. While there is only one explicit reference to the disciples meeting for worship on the first day of the week, there are a number of explicit references to their worshipping on the Sabbath:
This next one connects the Sabbath with both the grace of God and the Gentiles:
Paul didn't say, "Come back tomorrow. I will be preaching on Sunday." The Gentiles had to wait until the following Sabbath to hear the Word of God being preached. From what Paul told those following him, it is crystal clear that one can keep the Sabbath and continue in the grace of God at the same time. Paul even worshipped upon the Sabbath when there was no Jewish synagogue in town:
Therefore it wasn't just to witness to Jews in the synagogue that Paul worshipped on the Sabbath. The Gospel of Luke tells us that Jesus regularly worshipped on the Sabbath:
Acts tells us that Paul did this as well:
So the statement that Christ's followers did not meet for worship on the Sabbath is simply not true. #188: The resurrection day was when Christ's followers usually broke bread. This is not true. The one explicit reference to Christians meeting on the first day of the week, Acts 20:7, which was really Saturday night, does say that they broke bread. However, this was true because:
Since they broke bread daily, they could just as well break bread on Saturday night, the first day of the week, as Thursday, the fifth day of the week, the same night of the week Christ and His disciples ate the last supper. The biblical record does not specifically tell us what day the believers usually broke bread on. One might imagine that they would usually break bread on the Lord's Day, the seventh day of the week, but the Bible doesn't specifically say. #189: Christ's followers did not break bread on the Sabbath. As just noted, the disciples broke bread daily. Since the Sabbath is one of the days of the week, the disciples must have broken bread on that day as well. And as just mentioned, it is not hard to imagine that the early believers would have usually broken bread on the Lord's Day, the seventh day of the week, the holy Sabbath, but the biblical record does not specifically say. All we are specifically told is that they broke bread "daily." #190: The Sabbath is Jewish. This is probably the most serious error in this section.
Jesus ought to know what He is talking about, since of Him it is written:
So Jesus was the one who made the Sabbath for man. Now it is an interesting point that the name Adam is also one of the Hebrew words for "man." The idea is that Jesus made the Sabbath for Adam. More than this, the Greek of Mark 2:27 says that "the Sabbath was made for the man, not the man for the Sabbath." The significance of Jesus's wording is readily seen when one considers that, in the first eleven chapters of Genesis, nearly every occurrence of "Adam," "man," and "men" is translated from the Hebrew phrase "the man," "man" being always in the singular. The Hebrew word adam occurs 50 times in the first eleven chapters of Genesis. Of those 50 times, none are in the plural. Genesis 1:26 and 2:5 use the word adam without the definite article ("the"). From 4:25 through 5:5, a total of 7 occurrences, adam becomes a proper noun, and so the definite article is omitted. The other 41 occurrences consistently use the definite article. First the Hebrew phrase "the man" means Adam, or both Adam and Eve (23 occurrences: 1:27; 2:7 (2), 8, 15, 16, 18, 19 (2), 20 (2), 21, 22 (2), 23, 25; 3:12, 17, 20-22, 24; 4:1). Beginning with Genesis 6:1-7, the phrase "the man" begins to mean not just Adam, but his descendents as well, or in other words, all mankind (18 occurrences: 6:1-6, 7 (2); 7:21, 23; 8:21 (2); 9:5 (2), 6 (3); 11:5). Since Jesus said that He made the Sabbath for "the man," He must have meant that He made it both for Adam and all his descendents, since that is precisely what "the man" means. To say that the Sabbath is Jewish is essentially to say that Christ, the Son of God, didn't know what He was talking about when He said that the Sabbath was made for the man. Paul uses similar language when talking about the woman:
If the Sabbath that was made for the man is really Jewish, then the woman that was made for the man is really Jewish as well. Essentially, that would mean that marriage is only for the Jew, not for the Gentile. Interestingly, Adam took but two things out of the garden with him: the Sabbath and marriage. Both are under attack today. If the Lord
blessed and sanctified but one woman for each married man, and he must
honor and be true to that one woman, then it must follow that Jesus
blessed and sanctified but one day for us, and we must honor that specific
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#191: "Adventists further deviate in their salvation doctrine by teaching that Satan ultimately becomes the sin-bearer. They teach he bears away the sins of the world. 'As the priest in removing the sins from the sanctuary, confess them upon the head of the scapegoat, so Christ will place all these sins upon Satan, the originator and instigator of sin...' Great Controversy p. 485." (Ibid.) Satan becomes the sin-bearer. Though the term "sin-bearer" appears in Ellen White's published and released writings at least 186 times, she not once said that Satan is our "sin-bearer." She consistently taught that Christ is our sin bearer. She even wrote that Christ is our "only sin-bearer":
I have never read where any Seventh-day Adventist has called Satan our sin-bearer. If Jesus is our only sin-bearer, Satan cannot be the sin-bearer too. The quote from Great Controversy appears in its entirety under "Point 90" in the Documentation Package. Notice carefully what even the part quoted in the video says:
Truly the high priest, representing Jesus Christ, must be the sin bearer, for it is he who is removing the sins by carrying them in his own person. Mr. Martin refers to what Seventh-day Adventists believe the closing ceremonies of the services of the Day of Atonement represent. This has nothing to do with who the sin-bearer is. Consider carefully the following verses:
Notice that the goat for Azazel has the sins put upon him only after the high priest has made an end of reconciling. The word for "reconciling" is the Hebrew word for atonement. So the sins are put upon the goat for Azazel by the high priest after the end of the atonement. Jesus is our high priest. Whom would Jesus put the sins of God's people upon after He has finished the atonement? Would He place the sins upon Himself after He has finished the atonement? If so, why would He need to have sins placed upon Himself after the atonement is finished? If the only atonement that ever was or ever shall be occurred at the cross, why would Jesus place sins upon Himself after He had already died for sin? The Adventist position that Azazel is Satan makes more sense and raises less questions: After the atonement is finished, Jesus our high priest, the great Sin-bearer, will place all our sins upon Azazel, Satan, since he is the cause and instigator of all sin. That Azazel is a name for Satan is supported by the following discussion by John N. Andrews:
While one will be hard pressed to find anywhere in Adventist literature that Satan is our sin-bearer, one can find references, like in the next to last paragraph, where it says that Satan will "bear" the "punishment" of the "sins" of the "people of God." The difference between the two ideas of sin-bearer and bearing punishment for sins is more than just semantics. Every Bible-believing Christian believes that those who do not place their sins on the great Sin-bearer Jesus Christ will have to bear the full punishment of their own sins. Would that make the unsaved person his own sin-bearer? Of course not. Even though he has to bear the punishment of his sins since He did not accept the offer of salvation through Jesus, he does not become a sin-bearer. The term "sin-bearer" carries the connotation of "Savior." Jesus is our Sin-bearer because He died in our place, as our substitute, for our sins. He paid the penalty for our sins that we rightfully deserved to receive. A sin-bearer, a substitute, a savior, these things neither the
unsaved nor Satan can be, even though they must bear the punishment for
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#192: "How different this is from the clear message of Scripture which says of Jesus that He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross. The apostle John exclaimed, 'Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.' Truly salvation must be centered on Christ alone." (Ibid.) Christ bore our sins on the cross, so Satan can't be our sin-bearer. This is a straw man:
Clearly, according to the Bible, the sins are placed on the goat for
Azazel by the high priest after the
atonement is finished. Therefore, Christ our high priest will place the
sins on someone after the atonement is finished. If this be not Satan,
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#193: Today, Seventh-day Adventists strive to be included as mainline evangelical Protestant Christians, and therefore object very strongly to any hint that they may be teaching cultic doctrine." (Steve Cannon) Seventh-day Adventists strive to be included as Protestant Christians. I haven't noticed any striving. It doesn't seem like we have to strive, given our strong stance on the final authority of Scripture, what used to be one of the cornerstones of Protestantism. Representatives of the largest Church in the world, the Roman Catholic, have declared that we definitely are Protestants, since we repudiate tradition in favor of what the Scriptures teach. One such quote is,
Why should "the only consistent Protestant" have to strive? In all kindness, it seems rather that the churches who are following tradition instead of the Scriptures are the churches who ought to be striving to be included as "mainline, evangelical, Protestant Christians." Other quotations from Catholic writers on the subject follow:
This last quote put the change of the Sabbath by the Catholic Church back in the days of the apostles, or thereabouts. This is what tradition says happened, which is good enough for Catholics, but there is no biblical or historical basis for this claim. At any rate, the major points these Catholic authors make is that:
So says the largest
church in the world.
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#194: "An Adventist pastor supplied the following five marks of a cult. You be the judge whether or not his denomination fits his own definition of a cult." (Narrator) An Adventist pastor supplied the following. When one reads what this Adventist pastor wrote, the credibility of the information in the video is very naturally called into question. What the narrator fails to mention is that these five marks were part of a letter to the editor of the Nelson Daily News written by Pastor Dan Stapleton. Pastor Stapleton's letter, which can be found in the Documentation Package under "Point 92," was in answer to charges which Keith MacGregor, the husband of the video's script writer, had made in a newspaper article. Pastor Stapleton's letter, as found in the Documentation Package, contained this interesting statement:
The video's credits list Keith and Lorri MacGregor as co-producers. Lorri is listed as having written the script, and her name tops the list of six names who were responsible for the research. Thus, the Documentation
Package sent to me by MacGregor Ministries documents why there are so
many mistakes and misrepresentations in this video. The documentation
clearly states that the MacGregors have been doing this kind of thing for
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#195 & #196: "'Point 1: Cults or false religions usually have a single powerful human leader who becomes the cult's 'messiah.'" (Narrator) "Who can deny the total reliance of the group on the teachings of Ellen G. White. She may not be called their messiah, but is certainly their messenger of God, revered by all." (Steve Cannon) #195: Total reliance. As presented under #21, #23, #24, #25-#26, and #45, the Seventh-day Adventist Church uses the Scriptures as their ultimate and final authority. It proves its doctrines from the Bible, not Ellen White. Second to the Bible, Ellen White is officially viewed by the Church as having more authority than the average person. This, however, does not mean that we have "total reliance" on her. #196: Revered by all. It simply isn't true, as Sydney Cleveland makes clear toward the end of the video under #231. One of the sources referred to earlier by the video was Walter Rea's White Lie. I wouldn't describe the situation to be as bad as he describes on page 250 of his book, but consider carefully what he has to say:
Thus wrote almost two decades ago one of the sources for information for this video. A minority of Seventh-day Adventists who are theologically liberal openly deny the authority of both the Bible and the writings of Ellen White. Among many of those who do profess to believe in the authority of inspired writings, many things just aren't followed or are explained away. Some seek to put into practice the counsel offered, but it definitely isn't as unanimous as Mr. Cannon thinks. Ellen White is not "revered by all." The Documentation Package identifies this item as
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#197 & #198: "'Point 2: The cult leader's word, or teachings of the cult, become absolute truth, overshadowing the teachings of the Bible.'" (Narrator) "No Seventh-day Adventist would dare deny that Ellen G. White's comments on a certain portion of Scripture, determine the group's acceptance or rejection of historical views held on those Scriptures. Her interpretations prevail and become Adventist doctrine. Even today her writings are considered to be of equal inspiration with Scripture." (Steve Cannon) #197: Ellen White's comments overshadow the teachings of the Bible. False, as already brought out under #21, #23, #24, #25-#26, and #45. The Documentation Package gives the quotation below under both "Point 13" and "Point 94," a quotation of number 17 of the twenty-seven fundamental beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists:
This plainly says that Ellen White's comments must be tested by the Bible. Her comments cannot therefore simultaneously overshadow the teachings of Scripture. Thus, once again, the Documentation Package proves the utter falsity of this charge. #198: Ellen White's comments on certain portions of Scripture determine the acceptance or rejection of historical views on those Scriptures. This is really an incredible statement for Mr. Cannon to make. He didn't say "acceptance or rejection of Scripture." He instead said "acceptance or rejection of historical views." "Historical views" is another way of saying "tradition." In other words, Seventh-day Adventists are being condemned because they reject tradition. But we have to reject tradition, because we are Protestants.
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"Ellen G. White knew how to pressure people into submission. First she would claim to receive a reproof from God for the person, which she would air publicly through her testimonies. Usually the person conformed under the pressure. 'I have uttered reproofs... because the Lord has given me words of reproof... for the church.' The Remnant Church; Its Organization, Authority, Unity, and Triumph p. 6." (Steve Cannon) #199: Ellen White pressured people into submission. We will refer to what was already quoted under #128 and #132 regarding Ellen White's allegedly forcing the reform dress on "her female followers":
Ellen White sometimes had to rebuke people who were trying to force their convictions on others. She set before her readers God's own example of how to treat people who do not agree or are erring:
She advocated the taking of these principles manifested in God's government into the home and the classroom:
Would not the world be a better place if preachers, parents,
teachers, and public officials sought to put into practice these simple
principles Ellen White advocated? Under "Point 95a", a selection from volume 3 of Testimonies for the Church talks about Brother B. Who is Brother B? Did his name begin with B? Not at all. Brother A is referred to two pages before and Brother C is referred to four pages after. Letters were assigned to replace the people's names in the order in which they appeared in the book. The specific city or town where Brother B was from is stated to be ----- on pages 339 and 340, thus protecting the guilty as far as possible. In other words, even where he lived is kept a secret. Only those acquainted with both the man and the problem might be able to guess who Ellen White was talking about. Why would Ellen White "air publicly" the reproof if she left the name and address out?
Obviously, as she said, she didn't "air publicly" all the reproofs she sent to individuals, because this would be "improper." But she did air many of them, usually with names and places deleted. One exception to the anonymity principle does appear in this very chapter:
Why this exception to anonymity? As an unmarried missionary in Africa, Hannah More accepted the Sabbath truth and was consequently dropped from employment by her missionary society. She came to Battle Creek, Michigan, but no Adventist took an interest in her. Ms. More actively sought employment in Battle Creek, for there were quite a few Adventist ministries there at the time, but no one wanted to hire this intelligent and devoted lady. She therefore lodged with friends in northern Michigan who were not of her faith. Unaccustomed to the winters of northern Michigan, Hannah More died that winter. Because of neglect, someone died. Do you think this might be reason enough to get more specific about people and places? Would you call this an unwarranted cultic pressure tactic? As the result of Ellen White confronting this issue, the denomination started an association whose primary responsibility was to aid widows and orphans. Praise the Lord! The possibility of future neglect causing someone's death was therefore lessened. Here is what she said about public exposure of naughty students.
The principles expressed in this quote would be applicable in other settings as well. Didn't she have some good thoughts? #201: Usually the person conformed. Under "Point 95a" the Documentation Package cites three selections, one of which talks about Brother B, to which we just referred to above. Another is from page 387 of volume 21 of Manuscript Releases. This page is a rebuke to a very prominent Seventh-day Adventist leader named J. H. Waggoner, who, from what I can tell, did "conform." Yes, Ellen White comes down pretty hard on this minister who was guilty of adultery:
Now that I read it again, it doesn't sound like she came down all that hard. I mean, this gray-haired man had gone beyond just having an adulterous affair in secret. He had gotten to the point where he would even put his head in the lady's lap in public gatherings! (This information is gleaned from Letter 10, 1885. One modern citation to the letter refers to this incident, while other modern citations state that this letter was sent to J. H. Waggoner.) Waggoner had a severe problem and seemed blind to it. Ten months had gone be since Ellen White wrote Letter 10 to J. H. Waggoner on November 4, 1885. Still he had not repented of his grievous conduct. So she wrote Letter 51, 1886, to plead with him further. Yet it was not just a delay of ten months that urged Ellen White to write thus. The public gathering at which Waggoner had had his head on another man's wife's lap appears to have been connected with New Year's Day. Perhaps it was New Year's in 1885, but it could have been in 1884 or 1883. Thus this man, in the sunset of his life, was allowing too much time to go by before he made his peace with God. He should have "conformed" much sooner. Enough said. #202: Conformed under the pressure. Actually, Ellen White was present at the gathering where J. H. Waggoner had his head in the lap of the lady he was having an affair with:
So Ellen White later felt that she had not rebuked Waggoner as duty required. At the time, at this public religious gathering, she didn't say anything. In other words, looking back, she felt she had been too soft on the man . Pressure tactics? What should the prophetess have said instead of the previous quotation from Letter 51, 1886? "Now, now, Elder Waggoner, be a good boy. You really shouldn't do that again. If you do, you might not be able to go out and play." Yes, Waggoner apparently did finally conform under the "pressure" of Ellen White's earnest entreaties, along with the entreaties of his brethren. But to my knowledge, Ellen White never made his case known to the general Adventist public. Most Adventists today still don't know that this man had such a serious problem. It is apparent from this situation, and others like it, that Ellen White didn't just write about the character of Christ. She ever sought to emulate His lovely character:
#203: The type of pressure Ellen White used is one of the marks of a cult. Rather ludicrous. If such an idea be true, then the prophets of the Bible were just as cultic as Ellen White. Consider what Nathan told David when he had committed adultery and murder:
Looks like David "conformed" under the "pressure." Let's not forget Elijah:
And that was only the beginning of Elijah's "pressure tactics." In the New Testament we have more of the same from Peter:
And we have more of the same from Paul:
To cite every example in the Bible of prophets and apostles using the
same kind of "pressure tactics" as Ellen White used, we would
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#204 & #205: "The tactics may not be as blatant today, but believers are subject to pressure tactics today as well to conform to the group. Love, acceptance, and fellowship are very often withheld from anyone who questions the official teachings of the church." (Ibid.) #204: Love, acceptance, and fellowship very often withheld. Love is a word that can mean different things to different people, so let's leave it out of this discussion. For instance, love might be giving a lollipop to your kid, or it might mean giving him some necessary discipline. Essentially, Mr. Cannon is talking about church discipline here. Unlike Jehovah's Witnesses or the Amish, we do not practice shunning, but we do believe in church discipline, for it is biblical. And discipline can be the most loving thing to do. For Seventh-day Adventists, church discipline does not mean that family members cannot associate with erring family members. It does not mean that erring ones cannot attend church services. There are two forms of church discipline within the Seventh-day Adventist Church: 1) Censure. 2) Disfellowship. Censuring is for a stated period of time. The erring one loses the church offices that he or she holds, and, during the period of censure, cannot have a voice or vote in the affairs of the church, cannot have a public part in the services of the church, and cannot transfer his or her membership to another church. Disfellowshipping is when the person's name is actually removed from the membership roles of the church. He or she is then no longer a Seventh-day Adventist. Chapter 13 of the Church Manual, which outlines these procedures, gets very specific about what a member can and cannot be disciplined for. After the erring one is disciplined, notice the attitude of kindness that must be displayed:
Thus churches are to be as kind as possible in their dealing with members who murder, commit adultery, steal, habitually lie, embezzle, commit fraud, take to alcohol or tobacco or narcotics, commence a warfare against the church, or deny the basic teachings of the Bible. Let's talk about the withholding of acceptance and fellowship. Mr. Cannon says this is very often done to those who question the official teachings of the church. Perhaps he doesn't really understand what is going on, for if he did he would think it actually isn't done often enough. I mean, he would think it isn't often enough if he is a Bible-believing Christian. We have already cited Walter Rea's views, under #100, regarding how the Bible cannot be trusted as the final authority. He was one who experienced a lessening of acceptance and fellowship. His views on inspiration apparently led to his rejection of the authority of Scripture, which doctrine is the first of Adventism's twenty-seven fundamental beliefs. Receiving the Word, by Samuel Koranteng-Pipim, documents what has been going on for a number of decades among an influential minority of Adventists. Some of these want to say that God will not punish sinners. Others want to say that God is so kind, He will forgive us even if we don't confess or repent. Others want to say that Jesus's death on the cross was not in our place, that He is not our substitute, that His blood did not have to be shed. Others want to say that justification by faith is a farce. Others want to say that we don't need a mediator. Others want to say that evolution is acceptable. Others want to say that premarital sex may not always be wrong. Others want to say that abortion is all right. Others want to say that homosexual practices are not an abomination to the Lord. What do you think? Should people holding these views be just as accepted and enjoy just as much fellowship as those who still believe the Bible? The truth is that a good number of these Adventist folk with unbiblical ideas, comprising a rather outspoken minority, occupy important positions within the denomination, still enjoying fellowship and acceptance. My thought for some time has been that the appropriate thing for these folk to do is to go start their own church. Why try and change mine which has stood so strongly for so long for the authority and inspiration of Scripture? That what I have said is true can be seen from Mr. Koranteng-Pipim's book. Implied in Sydney Cleveland's comment under #229-#231, it can also be seen from the fact that a magazine like Spectrum exists. The Documentation Package cites this journal under "Point 6" and "Point 14." The Time article under "Point 54" calls Spectrum an "independent journal for church liberals." Grab a copy and look through it, and you will likely see that a number of influential Adventists are openly propagating skepticism while still enjoying acceptance and fellowship. If we are so hard on people who question the teachings of the church, why does Spectrum still exist? #205: Withholding of acceptance and fellowship for questioning doctrine is a characteristic of a cult. Actually, we need to point out that "questioning" does not mean simply questioning. Adventist members are not disfellowshipped for merely asking questions about doctrines. But questioning in the sense of attacking and going to war against, that is a different matter. Is Mr. Cannon calling into question what the Bible teaches about church discipline? Would he call the apostle Paul a cult leader?
Is Paul advocating a type of treatment toward those in apostasy that is cultic in nature? Or does the church have a biblical duty to fulfill in such cases? And what about the apostle John? Was he a cult leader?
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#206, #207, #208, #209, & #210: "'Point 4: Each cult denies the central truth of the gospel that Jesus is the divine Son of God without beginning or ending. They deny that His death has provided salvation... for the entire human race. As a result, salvation is earned by adherence to the teachings of the cult rather than accepting Christ and following Him.'" (Narrator) "We would point out that the group originally denied the deity of Jesus Christ. Today they believe Jesus Christ is eternal, but they are stuck with the old doctrine that Jesus is the Archangel Michael. They need to firmly establish one doctrine and discontinue the other. However they cannot give up this doctrine which contradicts Hebrews 1:13 without having to acknowledge that Mrs. White made a mistake. Instead they try to accommodate both conflicting doctrines. This is an impossible situation." (Steve Cannon) #206: Originally denied the deity of Christ. This is not true, as pointed out under #94. James White and Uriah Smith, as well as others, strongly affirmed the deity of Christ. James White was editor of the Advent Review, and Joseph Bates and J. N. Andrews were on the publishing committee, when a work by an English author was printed in the Advent Review of October 18, 1853. This English work contained the following statement:
You may have noticed that Mr. Cannon is combining two issues as if they are one. He equates the deity of Christ with Christ being eternal, as if the one meant the other, when actually they are two separate issues. The reader may find this strange, but please bear with me. Consider well-known Adventist preacher Elliot J. Waggoner (1855-1916) in his 1890 Christ and His Righteousness. Chapter two is entitled "Christ is God," and chapter four is entitled "Christ not a Created Being." From chapter four:
Here is a man who says that Christ is God, is divine, and is not a created being. Yet at the same time he says that Christ is "practically without beginning." Was he contradicting himself? No, he wasn't. He also believed in the "processions," part of the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity. Christ "proceeded forth" from the Father. Waggoner identified the procession as being when Christ was begotten, an orthodox-enough idea. The one aspect of today's orthodox version of the Trinity Waggoner doesn't seem to have endorsed is that God is outside time, and that therefore the processions happened outside of time. Waggoner does not seem to have accepted the idea that even though the Son was begotten, His being begotten never happened at a point of time. Should we crucify Waggoner or James White or Uriah Smith because they didn't wholeheartedly endorse the idea that, while Jesus was begotten, He still is without any beginning? I think not. To crucify someone for believing what Waggoner describes would be cult-like behavior. How could we withhold acceptance and fellowship from such a man who held views that were so nearly orthodox? In actuality, acceptance and fellowship were withheld through the centuries by the Catholic Church for just such beliefs. I don't think they crucified anyone, but they did dispatch quite a few in other ways for not believing about the Trinity just exactly as they taught it. #207: Must discontinue the doctrine that Jesus is the archangel Michael. I'm sorry. We must be true to Scripture. (If you wish to read what the Bible says on this particular subject, check out #93 and my papers: "An 'Angel' Named Yahweh" and "The Divine Christ in the Old Testament.") Besides, this is an "historical view" held upon the Scriptures that talk about Michael, as pointed out under #87. Should we reject this historical view because someone doesn't like it? #208: This doctrine contradicts Hebrews 1:13. This is false. If it were true, the Bible would be contradicting itself (see #93 and my papers: "An 'Angel' Named Yahweh" and "The Divine Christ in the Old Testament."). After all, if the Angel who claims to be God in the Old Testament is not Christ, than we have more than one God. We would have the Father, Son, and Spirit as one God, and we would have the divine Angel who appeared to various ones be another God. The Bible, however, tells us that there is only one God. Also, the context of Hebrews 1:13 makes it pretty plain that Paul is not talking about either men or Christ by the term "angel." His use of the term must refer only to the angelic beings that God created to populate heaven. So even though the term "angel" is used by Bible writers to refer to both Christ and people as well as the angelic host (see #93 and "An 'Angel' Named Yahweh"), the author of Hebrews is restricting his meaning to just the angelic beings. We cannot use Hebrews 1:13 to prove that the word "angel" never applies to people or Christ, because that would make the Bible blatantly contradict itself (again, see #93 and "An 'Angel' Named Yahweh"). Why the script writer thought that the Adventist understanding of Michael contradicts Hebrews 1:13 can be seen from the index to the Documentation Package. Under "Point 96" in the index is this revealing sentence:
Seventh-day Adventism has never taught that Michael is a created angel and the Documentation Package presents no evidence that it ever has. If Michael is not a created angel, which He isn't, the whole objection to Michael and Christ being the same divine person collapses. #209: Can't discontinue it without acknowledging that Mrs. White made a mistake. Our last oversimplification in the critique. Actually, we can't discontinue this doctrine without acknowledging that Charles Spurgeon, John Gill, Matthew Henry, the writer of the footnotes in the 1599 Geneva Bible, and a host of others made a mistake as well (see #87). #210:
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#211, #212, #213, & #214: "As to salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone, Adventists have added the investigative judgment, the keeping of the Sabbath, and obedience to the Ten Commandments and other Old Testament laws as requirements for salvation." (Narrator) #211: Adventists have added the investigative judgment to salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone. This is not true, as any Bible-believing Christian would acknowledge:
If God will judge all by the gospel, it cannot be said that the judgment is added to the gospel. It is part of the gospel, as Revelation 14:6, 7 clearly shows:
In actuality, someone who denies the truth of these Scriptures is deleting the judgment from the gospel. Who authorized the contributors to this video to delete the judgment from salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone? The penalty for deleting anything is severe:
#212: Adventists have added Sabbath keeping to salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone. This too is not true. As already quoted under #187, Sabbath keeping is in harmony with grace according to the Scriptures:
It is also in harmony with the gospel, for the angel of Revelation 14 who preaches the everlasting gospel also quotes from the fourth commandment when he says:
Sabbath keeping is also in harmony with the New Covenant, for the New Covenant promise is:
Speaking of covenants:
When was the New Covenant confirmed or ratified?
The Greek word for "testament" is the same as the Greek word for "covenant." Sunday came three days too late. The will, the New Testament, the New Covenant was ratified on Friday when Christ died. That evening, what did a number of Christ's followers do?
Christ's will states that the law is to be written in the hearts and minds of believers. If the Sabbath were to be deleted from this law that is to be written in our hearts, it would have had to have been deleted before Christ died. Since it was not (at least, no Bible passage can be found saying that it was), the fourth commandment must still be in force. Would the contributors to this video please consider that they will likely be charged with the crime of altering a Man's will after His death? To delete portions of a Man's will after He has died is highly illegal. Contact the heavenly court for full details. #213: Adventists have added obedience to the Ten Commandments as requirements for salvation. Again, this is woefully inaccurate. We never added it at all. We do not believe that obedience is a requirement for justification or conversion. We never added obedience as a requirement for glorification. The gospel of Luke says:
Jesus wasn't saying that we can work our way to heaven, but He was pointing out that sin must be put away.
It is only through salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone that our lives can be brought back into harmony with God's holy law. But the point of these verses is that our lives must be brought back. Again, Paul cannot be clearer:
The idea that people can continue to break the commandments of God and still go to heaven must be another gospel. It certainly wasn't the gospel Paul taught in the book of Galatians, as we just saw. That book also says:
Why did the contributors to the video delete commandment keeping from the gospel, thus producing a different gospel than the one that Jesus and Paul preached? Did they have a vision or dream, or did an angel come to tell them to do so?
#214: Adventists have added obedience to other Old Testament laws as requirements for salvation. Again, this is untrue. Adventists haven't added anything. What Old Testament laws is the narrator talking about? Is he talking about abstaining from eating blood? Yet Acts 15 tells us that we must abstain from blood:
Or is the narrator talking about abstaining from eating unclean animals? Yet Isaiah said that those living in the end of time just before Christ returns must abstain from eating such:
And the apostle Paul said not to touch them as well:
I sure want God to be my Father, don't you? A good while after the cross, Peter testified:
Or is the narrator talking about tithing? In the context of events that would occur in New Testament times, Malachi says:
Many Bible-believing Christians have been greatly blessed by simply taking God at His word. They have claimed this promise and have had their crops, their homes, and their lives preserved. I am one of these. My house was in the midst of a 5800-acre forest fire. The hard-plastic weather stripping around two of the windows melted. A forty-foot or taller pine tree twenty feet from the house was torched all the way up. A cedar with foliage four feet from the roof was badly burned on its side away from the house. Yet the house was totally untouched, except for the weather stripping around the two windows. Sadly, my neighbor's house went down in ten minutes. Paul indicates that as the preachers of the Old Testament were supported, so were the preachers of the New Testament to be supported:
Another hint regarding the perpetuity of the three things mentioned above (blood, unclean animals, and tith |