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- All quotes of Ellen White in video
are from official sources. False. Some quotes just don't exist at
all, or don't exist in the form portrayed on the video.
- Adventism is based around the
teachings and philosophies of Ellen White. False. Most
Seventh-day Adventist doctrines had been
discovered in the Bible and accepted before she wrote them out.
- Ellen White was the founder of the Adventist Church. She was not the sole founder.
- William Miller was a powerful
preacher. Oversimplification. Miller was a Baptist preacher, and but one of 200
preachers and 500 lecturers from many denominations all preaching
about the same thing.
- Miller taught that Christ would
return in 1843. Oversimplification. His major point of difference with the theology of
the times was not the date, but his conviction that Christ would come
visibly and literally before the millennium instead of after.
- Miller taught that Christ would
return on October 22, 1844. False. As of October 21, he had not
yet accepted the date of October 22, much less taught it.
- October 22 was not the Day of
Atonement in 1844 False. Biblically speaking, it was the Day of Atonement
for that year.
- Miller's meetings were marked by
emotionalism and hysteria. False. Miller and his associates suppressed
all such things.
- Picture depicts radical fanaticism
of Miller's meetings. False. Picture is actually of a critic's
description of a post-1844 meeting that Miller was not present at.
- When Christ did not return, Ellen
White said she was in a "hopeless condition for months."
She said no such thing.
- Ellen White was depressed when
Christ did not return on October 22. False. The record indicates that she
was not.
- Ellen White could not admit her
mistake of expecting Christ to return in 1843 or 1844. False. She first
admitted what she thought was a mistake, and then admitted that she
had made a mistake in identifying the wrong mistake.
- Miller admitted his mistake of
expecting Christ to return in 1843 or 1844. Oversimplification. He did not admit a
mistake in his interpretations of the prophecies. Rather, he thought
there must be a mistake in the chronologies used by historians, which
might throw his calculations off a little.
- Ellen White's first vision said
that the 1843 chart should not be altered. False. Her first vision was in
December 1844. This one was on September 23, 1850.
- Ellen White claimed God hid the
mistake. Bad quotation. The last clause that was omitted explains
that her words meant that God was not revealing the mistake to the
people, rather than hiding it.
- Ellen White claimed God had made
the mistake. False. She made no such claim.
- Ellen White's vision was
controversial. False. There was nothing controversial about it.
- Ellen White's vision forced
readjustment of many Adventist dates and doctrines. False. Many dates and
doctrines were not readjusted as the result of either her first vision
or the vision of 1850.
- Ellen White's vision readjusted
the 1843 date to 1844. False. It was already readjusted months before she
had her first vision.
- The 1844 date was still an error.
Cannot be presently proven. No better interpretation of the prophecies in question has ever been
found.
- Ellen White became the absolute
authority figure. False. She never has been the absolute authority
figure.
- Her writings grew to be
seventeen times larger than the Bible. So? Luther, Wesley,
and Spurgeon wrote a lot too.
- Adventists view her writings as
inspired as the Bible. So? Adventists believe in degrees of authority,
but not in degrees of inspiration. One prophet is not more inspired
than another, but the prophets of the Bible have the final say.
- Church publications use her
writings as the last word on doctrine. False. The Bible is the last word.
- Twenty-seven Fundamental beliefs
say that the Bible is a source of authority. False. They state
that the Bible is the source of authority.
- Ellen White's writings are an
authoritative source of truth. So? The Adventist quote referred to ends
by saying that the Bible is to be the standard by which
Ellen White's writings are tested.
- Some of Ellen White's writings are
unavailable, locked in a vault. False. All published writings are
available on CD-ROM. Unpublished writings are available at 15
locations, and are only locked away after hours.
- Her more embarrassing writings are
unavailable. Oversimplification. What makes them embarrassing is that sometimes she
had to rebuke people's problems, like adultery.
- She claimed an angel stood by her
bed. So? Angels came to visit Bible writers too.
- History shows that Ellen White's
prophecies did not come true. Not one sound, clear-cut example is given.
- She said Jerusalem would never be
built up. The phrase "built up" had a different meaning
at times back then.
- Ellen White said she would be
alive and would be caught up in the air to meet Jesus. This
undermines faith in the Bible, for the apostle
Paul said the same thing.
- She said the second coming was
only months away. False. She said no such thing.
- At a conference in
1856, she said that some present would be food for
worms and that some would be alive when Jesus came.
Oversimplification. The video omits an immediate fulfillment in which
a woman actually present at the conference was impressed that she
would "food for worms." She was dead within three
days.
- Ellen White would have been stoned
in Bible times for being a false prophet. Then so would the
biblical prophets Jonah and
Huldah. Some prophecies are conditional, as Jeremiah tells us.
- She predicted the downfall of the
United States. False. She predicted defeat if certain
conditions didn't change.
- She made false predictions during
the Civil War. This quotation from Ellen White has been rearranged.
- Ellen White predicted England
would declare war on the United States. False. She never said England would
declare war.
- She predicted world war during the
Civil War. False. She never said there would be world war
at that time.
- Ellen White predicted the humbling
of the United States in defeat. False. She predicted the nation's
humbling, which came to pass, but she never said the nation would be
defeated.
- She claimed to travel to other
planets in vision. So? John, Ezekiel, and Paul as well tell us
about their supernatural journeys in the Bible.
- Ellen White said animals and
people crossed sexually. False. She said no such thing.
- The picture indicates that Ellen
White believed that the crossing of people and animals
produced the black race. Ellen White never said if she was talking
about Blacks, Whites, or Asians.
There is no basis for the use of such a picture.
- Her visions are unbiblical.
This begs the question, for not one unbiblical aspect of her visions
has been shown.
- Adventists say her writings are as
inspired as the Bible. This straw man is answered already under
#23.
The Documentation Package's documentation for this point makes it
clear that Adventists believe the Bible is the final authority, not
Ellen White.
- The investigative judgment
doctrine was a reinterpretation. Not really, for Miller had been
teaching for over a decade prior to 1844 that the judgment was about
to begin.
- Miller's prediction of October 22,
1844, failed. As mentioned under #6, Miller
didn't make this prediction or even accept it. As far as his
calculations go, his most learned opponents, like Dr. George Bush,
could find no fault in them, and the greatest scholars of several
centuries had come to similar conclusions.
- Adventists believed that the door
of mercy was shut on October 22. It's not hard to see why they
believed this for a short time.
- Adventists believed that the door
of mercy was shut on October 22. Peter and the apostles thought
the door of mercy was closed to the Gentiles. Should we reject them as
being part of a cult?
- With prophetic authority Ellen
White supported the shut-door-of-mercy doctrine. False. She never did.
- Her first vision taught the
shut-door-of-mercy doctrine. False. Her first vision taught that there
would have to be a lot of evangelism yet before Christ returned.
- The preface to the reprinting of
her first vision said there was no change in idea or sentiment. It
said no such thing. Instead, the preface said that a portion was left
out.
- The other shut-door-of-mercy
passages were dropped after 1851. False. There were no other shut-door
passages.
- The other shut-door-of-mercy
passages were reinterpreted after 1851. False. Besides there being no other shut-door passages, the
"reinterpretations" came well
before 1851.
- Adventists never admitted their
error regarding expecting Jesus to come in 1844. False. Adventists freely
admitted their error.
- Ellen White immediately put God's
endorsement on Edson and Crosier's conclusions.
Oversimplification. She put God's
endorsement on their conclusions before she had heard about them.
- All doctrines were soon
adjusted to fit the cleansing of the sanctuary and the investigative
judgment doctrines. The
doctrines identified do not fit this description.
- The shut door was opened.
Oversimplification. As
in the apostolic church, God opened the door of opportunity to reach
others with the truths of His Word. This had nothing to do with the
cleansing of the sanctuary and the investigative judgment doctrines.
- Soul sleep was introduced because
of the investigative judgment doctrine. False. Soul sleep was introduced before
October 22, 1844, while the investigative judgment was formulated
afterwards.
- The prophecies of Daniel and
Revelation were reinterpreted to fit the investigative judgment.
The basic interpretations of Daniel and Revelation were already worked
out before Edson and Crosier published their findings on the cleansing
of the sanctuary in 1846, and before the doctrine of the investigative
judgment was crystallized in 1857.
- It was a time of doctrinal
reversal. Neither the video nor its documentation provides
evidence that that time was characterized by doctrinal reversal.
- The idea that an angel is
recording everything we do, and that we will be judged by
such a record, is harsh. But that's what the Bible clearly teaches
in Matthew, Revelation, Daniel, and Ecclesiastes.
- Ellen White taught that we would
be judged for trying to have some leisure time. False. She taught
that we must have leisure time in order to be balanced people.
- The investigative judgment
doctrine is unique to Seventh-day Adventists. Not quite. Nearly
every basic aspect of this doctrine has been taught by prominent
scholars of other faiths.
- The investigative judgment
doctrine cannot be supported by the Scriptures. False. It can be
supported by the Scriptures.
- The investigative judgment
doctrine states that a believer's works determines their salvation.
Not quite. The investigative judgment doctrine does not teach that the
believer's works determine his salvation in the sense meant by the
typical evangelical when he says, "I'm saved."
- The investigative judgment
doctrine is blatantly unbiblical. False. This point is similar to #65,
but more Scriptures are added under this number to show that it is
biblical.
- Seventh-day Adventism is not a
legitimate Christian denomination. This point plainly begs the
question, for it assumes what must be proven.
- The investigative judgment
doctrine teaches that believers will be lost if they have unconfessed
sins. The Bible says that we can only be forgiven if we confess
our sins. Is the video saying that the Bible is wrong?
- The investigative judgment
doctrine teaches that believers will be lost if they have forgotten sins. Not even the Documentation Package could
find a quotation to substantiate this wild charge.
- The investigative judgment
doctrine requires perfect obedience to the Ten Commandments. But
the New Testament plainly says that adulterers, fornicators, thieves,
and murderers cannot enter heaven.
- The investigative judgment
doctrine teaches that all believers will be lost if they do not keep
the Fourth Commandment. False. Both Ellen White and the New
Testament teach that God does not hold what we do not know and could
not know against us.
- The investigative judgment
doctrine is diametrically opposed to the gospel of grace. The
points being objected to by the video are the very essence of the
gospel and of the New Covenant.
- Seventh-day Adventism is a man-made religion. This is another point
that begs the question, that assumes what needs to be proven.
- Seventh-day
Adventists have their own version of the Bible. Not so. Jack Blanco's paraphrase
is not in any sense an official Seventh-day Adventist version. I do not own a copy and have no
present intention to get one.
- This Seventh-day Adventist
version is known as The Clear Word
Bible. Not any more. Quite a few quickly realized that something
like this might come up one day, so the second edition carries only the
title, The Clear Word. The contributors to the video knew
this.
- In The Clear Word, the
words and
ideas of Ellen White are inserted into the biblical text. False. The words and ideas of theologian and college professor Jack Blanco, not
Ellen White, are inserted.
- 300 words have been added to
Daniel 9 in The Clear Word. Straw man. As the video admits,
it's an expanded paraphrase, and the interpretations utilized have
been held for centuries.
- Daniel 8:14 is a blatant
example of alteration of the biblical text. Straw man. Paraphrases
by their very nature insert interpretations into the text.
- It's called The Clear Word
Version. Why did the makers of the video change the title of
Jack Blanco's paraphrase? It's not called The Clear Word Version.
- The Clear Word was
written to support their prophetess. The Clear
Word contains the words and ideas of
Jack Blanco, not Ellen White, and was not written to support
"their prophetess."
- The Clear Word
manipulates and distorts
Scripture. Again,
paraphrases contain, by their very nature, the inclusion of
interpretations into the text.
- Seventh-day Adventists have
also published their Study Bible. Contradictory argument. If The
Clear Word is the Seventh-day Adventist version, why is the Study
Bible a King James Version instead of The Clear Word?
- The Study Bible is
"theirs." False. It was published by a private
organization, not the denomination, so it cannot be said to be
"theirs."
- The Study Bible of
Seventh-day Adventists contains Ellen White quotes. So? Lots of Bibles contain footnotes and study helps.
- Adventists teach that Christ's
atonement on the cross was incomplete. This is blatantly false.
Christ's atonement on the cross was complete.
- Adventists teach the heresy
that Michael is Christ. This charge makes Charles Spurgeon and
Matthew Henry heretics. And the 1599 Geneva Bible must have
been put out by heretics too.
- Adventists teach that there is
no hell. This is blatantly false. Adventists consistently teach
that there is a hell.
- Adventists taught doctrines
contrary to tradition. So has every other Protestant group. The
Bible, not tradition, is (supposed to be) the authority of
Protestants.
- Many of the doctrines of
Adventists are similar to Jehovah's Witnesses. This is no more
true than the statement that "many" doctrines of other
denominations are similar to Jehovah's Witnesses.
- N. H. Barbour was an early
Adventist. False. The impression is left that Barbour was a
Seventh-day Adventist, and there is no evidence that he ever was.
- Both Jehovah's Witnesses and
Seventh-day Adventists teach the heresy of soul sleep. Guess that
makes Martin Luther, John Wycliffe, William Tyndale, and a host of
Baptists, Methodists, Anglicans, and Presbyterians all heretics. Guess
that even makes the apostle Peter himself a heretic.
- Both Jehovah's Witnesses and
Seventh-day Adventists teach the heresy that Michael is Christ.
The Bible clearly teaches that there is an "angel" sent from
God who Himself is called God. If it isn't Christ, who is it? If it
isn't Christ, must we conclude that the Bible endorses polytheism,
that there is a mere angel who is God as well as the Father, Son, and
Spirit?
- Uriah Smith and James White
denied the deity of Christ like the Jehovah's Witnesses. False.
They were always firm believers in the deity of Christ.
- Both Jehovah's Witnesses and
Seventh-day Adventists have produced altered versions of the Bible.
False. The New World Translation is a translation produced by
the Watchtower Society. The Clear
Word is an expanded paraphrase put out by a private individual.
- Both Jehovah's Witnesses and
Seventh-day Adventists have set dates for Christ's return. False.
Jehovah's Witnesses have set dates, but not for Christ's return. And Sabbatarian Adventists early on took a strong stand against
date-setting. Ellen White opposed such as early as 1845, even before
becoming a Sabbatarian. Seventh-day Adventists as such did not exist in
1844.
- Both Jehovah's Witnesses and
Seventh-day Adventists claim to be the only remnant church. False.
Jehovah's Witnesses claim that, as of 1991, 99.9169% of Jehovah's
Witnesses are not the remnant.
- Both Jehovah's Witnesses and
Seventh-day Adventists plagiarized. No attempt is made by the
video or Documentation Package to prove that Russell or any
Jehovah's Witness ever read J. A. Brown's book.
- Both Jehovah's Witnesses and
Seventh-day Adventists were "guilty" of plagiarism. J.
A. Brown published his book in Britain. Since there was no copyright
in America at the time on British books, neither Russell nor anyone
else could be said to be "guilty," even if they had copied
it.
- Walter Rea's The White Lie was dedicated to those who
would rather believe a bitter truth than a sweet lie.
Oversimplification. The bitter "truth" both declared and
implied by The White
Lie is totally repugnant to
evangelicals who believe in the final authority of Scripture.
- Ellen White's inspiration was borrowed from others without credit. This
argument directly undermines the authority of the Scriptures, for the
Bible writers did the same.
-
Ellen White's major books contained
"stolen" material. What she did cannot be called
"stealing" since the words she took did not belong to the
original writers.
-
Sketches from the Life of Paul
was plagiarized in its entirety. False. The books are different, as
anyone who peruses them can plainly see.
-
This resulted in a lawsuit.
False. Such a lawsuit would have been a legal impossibility.
-
Because of this, the book was
quickly taken out of print. False. Published in 1883, the book was
promoted in Signs of the Times through 1885, advertised in Great
Controversy through 1887, and included on the title page of Great
Controversy until 1907 in England, homeland of the authors who were
"stolen" from.
-
The evidence is irrefutable that
Ellen White "stole" her inspiration from others. False. It
has already been demonstrated in this critique that the evidence is
anything but irrefutable.
-
The main line of defense in the book
The White Truth is that there were no copyright laws back then.
False. Out of the six chapters in this 98-page book, one deals with
plagiarism. Out of 16 pages in that chapter, only 4 deal with what
copyright laws were like back then.
-
The White Truth
says
that there were no copyright laws back then. False. Page 32 says
that the first American copyright law was passed in 1790.
-
The White Truth sidestepped
the issue by concentrating on the legal question. False. The video
is confusing the two allegations: 1) Ellen White was "guilty"
of theft. 2) Ellen White got her inspiration from others. The White
Truth deals with both allegations, as well as other points.
- The Adventist
hierarchy has been unable to respond to Rea's challenge: Prove that 20%
of Ellen White's writings are original. False. The
"hierarchy" responded to his challenge 31 years before his
book was written.
-
Prove that 20% of Ellen White's
writings are original. Such a challenge doesn't make sense, for it
would require infinite knowledge to prove that 20% of her writings are
original. It makes more sense to say, Prove that 80% of her writings
are not original.
-
Her visions which she claimed came
from God were shaky. One thing the video doesn't touch with a
ten-foot pole is the fact that she didn't breathe and had supernatural
strength during her public visions.
-
The Seventh-day Adventist ministry
is not a Christian ministry. This begs the question, assuming what
must be proved. Besides, Dan Snyder admits under #232 that he was a
Christian while being an Adventist minister!
-
Ellen White's early health documents
produce a rude awakening because of their fixation on moral issues.
A minor portion of her early health documents dealt with moral issues.
-
Most of her health advice dealt with
suppressing the male sexual urge. Absolutely ludicrous(!), as anyone
who has read her books knows.
-
Most of her health advice dealt with
suppressing the male sexual urge, which she thought was excessive.
Technically, she was against the excessive indulgence of sexual
urges by both men and women.
-
[Not in all
editions of the video.] Mrs. White felt she had been given special light on
the subject of masturbation. That this was the opinion of her
grandson the Documentation Package proves, but no evidence is
ever given to substantiate that Ellen White herself felt she had
been given special light.
-
[Not in all editions
of the video.] Mrs. White (apparently) gives a
list of diseases caused by masturbation. Actually, the quotation is
not accurate. The video combines a statement by Mrs. Gove with the views
of Dr. Deslandes. The video adds words, and omits words and quotation
marks without using an ellipsis.
-
[Not in all
editions of the video.] Mrs. White (apparently) said kids
who masturbate will get green skin.
These are the words of Dr. E. P. Miller,
not Ellen White.
-
Ellen
White said that meat inflames the passions. The quotation
leaves this impression only because it is out of context.
-
Ellen
White said rich and highly seasoned foods act as aphrodisiacs.
Medical science has neither proven nor disproven what she said. It's like
when she said that cancer is caused by a germ. She said this five years
before a maverick scientist proposed the idea. After being
ridiculed by the scientific community, this scientist years later
won the Nobel Prize for being right.
-
Ellen White (apparently) said,
"Sip no more the
beverage of China, no more the drinks of Java." These are the
words of Professor O. S. Fowler, not the words of Ellen G. White.
-
Ellen White advised skipping all
suppers in order to bring the male sexual appetites under control. False. Professor Fowler said this, not Ellen White. She consistently
said that some people need a third meal (though two meals are better for
most), and even called for Avondale College to begin to serve suppers.
-
[Not in all
editions of the video.] Ellen White (apparently) said
the use of feather beds led to masturbation.
False. Dr. E. P.
Miller, not Ellen White, is quoted. He was against sleeping on
feather beds in small, unventilated rooms, not against
sleeping on feather beds per se.
-
[Not in all editions
of the video.] Ellen White used a feather bed against her
own advice.
False. There is no evidence that she ever used a feather
bed in an unventilated, small room, which would have been against Dr. E.
P. Miller's advice, not her own. She was strongly opposed to
unventilated rooms.
-
[Not in all
editions of the video.] The Battle Creek Sanitarium
used hydrotherapy to treat secret vice. Actually, hydrotherapy
treatments stimulate the immune system and increase the white blood
cell count. They have been used successfully to treat a variety of
ailments.
-
[Not in all editions
of the video.] The picture illustrating the last point,
showing a shivering man with his feet in boiling water over a camp fire,
depicts Battle Creek's hydrotherapy treatment. False. The quote the
picture is illustrating says that you must not get chilled. Also, the
heat source for a hot foot bath is never under the basin of water, which
is never boiling. The picture is totally inaccurate.
-
Ellen
White controlled her female followers through directives on dress.
False. She was opposed to anyone forcing convictions about dress on
people.
-
Ellen
White was against wearing any kind of wig. False. The context of her
statement clearly shows that she was not talking about simple wigs. Her
published and released writings do not contain the word "wig"
at all.
-
The
picture of a skeleton looking through a window at a woman who is
presumably putting on a simple wig. The picture doesn't illustrate
at all the heavy monstrosities Ellen White was talking about.
-
After
Ellen White dealt with wigs, she introduced the reform dress.
False.
The reform dress was introduced more than six years before her counsel
against heavy hairpieces.
-
Ellen
White tried to force the reform dress on people. False. As pointed
out under #128, she was against forcing the reform
dress on anyone.
-
The
reform dress was hot. False. Far from being hot, it was
comparatively light. The dress was designed as a healthful alternative
to the too-heavy, too-long, multiple skirts typically worn by women in
those days.
-
The
reform dress was uncomfortable. False. This light dress was designed
for comfort as well as for health.
-
The
reform dress was bulky. False. Nor was this light dress bulky.
-
The
reform dress was long. False. It was not long. Besides being called
the "reform dress," it was also called
the "short dress."
-
Faithful sisters struggled with the
reform dress. False. Problems arose when these so-called
"faithful sisters" did one of the following: a) wouldn't quit complaining about not
being fashionable, b) pushed the dress on others contrary to Ellen
White's expressed counsel, or c) constructed it distastefully.
-
The reform dress was cumbersome.
False. This light dress was not
cumbersome.
-
Ellen White gave no explanation for
why she quit wearing her reform dress. False. She explained the
matter well.
-
Ellen White said those who aren't
vegetarians when Jesus comes can't go to heaven. False. She never
made such an extreme statement.
-
Ellen White taught that you have to
keep the letter of the law to put yourself on the road to salvation.
False. She taught that you are totally incapable of obeying God's
commandments until you have come to Christ.
-
Ellen White had no patience with
those who say, I am saved. The quotation has been rearranged and has
had the context removed.
-
Ellen White had no patience with
Christians who say, I am saved. Ellen White was not denouncing the
doctrines of justification and righteousness by faith. The first
quotation is not talking about those who mean, "I have been justified."
The second quotation is referring to those who believe they can continue to
murder and steal and sell dope, and still go to heaven.
-
Adventists believe that Jesus made
the down payment for our salvation. Thus the speaker contradicts the
point he made under #141. If Jesus made the down
payment, then we don't have to work to put ourselves on the road to
salvation.
-
Adventists believe that Jesus made
the down payment for our salvation, but we must make the monthly installments.
Thus it is suggested that Adventists believe we partially earn our
salvation. This is false.
-
Adventists do not rely upon the
grace of God alone. Ellen White repeatedly said we must rely upon
the grace of God alone.
-
Adventists are striving to be
rigidly obedient. False. Many Adventists will tell you that the
Adventist Church has grown a bit lax.
- Adventists are inflexible, guilt-ridden legalists.
False. While it is true that every faith has its legalists, the vast
majority of Adventists are
opposed to legalistic concepts. Legalism is generally not the cause of
guilt but a faulty method of trying to get rid of the guilt brought on
by a conviction of sin. Therefore the discovery of a genuinely
guilt-ridden legalist would indeed be a rare find, regardless of his
or her religious affiliation.
- Ellen White was wrong when
she said that believers must keep the law of God. Thus the video
condemns not only Ellen White, but Paul, John, Peter, Jude, James, and
Jesus.
- We don't have to worry about
obeying the law, since we are under the New Covenant now, not the Old
Covenant. A popular antinomian argument, this doesn't really make sense in the light of the
only New
Testament passage describing the New Covenant.
- We don't have to worry about
obeying the law, since Christ is the end of the law. Since James
5:11 talks about the "end of the Lord," we know that
sometimes "end" must mean something other than a cessation
of existence. Christ is "the end of the law" because the law leads
sinners to Christ for release from guilt (Gal. 3:24), not because the
Ten Commandments don't exist anymore.
- We are not under the
tutorship of the law, so we don't have to worry about obeying the law.
This inaccuracy ignores what Paul meant by the phrase
"under the law."
- Christians will keep God's
commandments out of love. Thus Mr. Martin destroys the force of
much of his whole argument thus far: We don't have to keep God's law, but
if we love God we
will gladly keep His law. The simple conclusion from his words is that if we
don't keep God's law, it shows that we don't really love God.
- Being under the law leads to
sin. Actually, according to the New Testament, it seems more
natural to say that sinning leads to being under the law, rather than
that being under the law leads to sinning.
- Being under grace leads to
holiness. Mr. Martin contradicts himself again, for if we don't
have to obey the law, why would the grace of God lead to holiness?
- A pre-advent judgment of
works is incompatible with the gospel of grace. But this makes the
apostle Paul contradict Revelation 14:6, 7.
- Soul sleep was introduced
because of the investigative judgment doctrine. False. Soul sleep
was introduced before 1844, and the video makes it clear that
the investigative judgment doctrine came after 1844.
- The doctrine of soul sleep is
unbiblical. Not so. Tyndale, Luther, Wycliffe, and many others
came up with this idea just from studying the Bible. Besides, saying
that our souls are immortal undermines the necessity of 1) the gospel,
2) the resurrection, and 3) the second coming.
- Conditional immortality flies in the face of two Scriptures.
Actually, it doesn't, unless we want to say that the Bible contradicts
itself. Martin's interpretation of these two texts in actuality flies
in the face of hundreds of Bible texts from Genesis to Revelation.
- Adventists do not teach
the biblical doctrine of hell. Actually, Seventh-day Adventists do teach the biblical doctrine of hell, and always have.
- The
Adventist view that Sabbath keeping is a mark of true loyalty to God
is severe. But the speaker basically already admitted that Sabbath
keeping is a mark of true loyalty to God.
- Ellen
White obliged by conveniently
having a vision.
Ellen White could not pretend to have a vision. Because of the definitely supernatural
characteristics of her visions, they
could not be faked.
- Her
vision about the Sabbath introduced the Sabbath to her followers.
The Sabbath was already well introduced among Millerites before this
vision of April 3, 1847.
- Adventists
weren't following what the Bible says about beginning the Sabbath at
sunset. The Bible "says" to keep the Sabbath from
"even to even." It doesn't "say" to keep
the Sabbath from sunset to sunset. Therefore these Adventists were not
blatantly disregarding the Bible during the time they were unclear
about the true meaning of "even."
- Ellen
White decided to have another vision. As mentioned before, for her
to decide to have a vision was an absolute impossibility.
- The
vision was intended to settle the matter with the dissenters.
According to one account, there were only two dissenters:
Joseph Bates and Ellen White. Does it not sound a bit preposterous
that since Ellen White wanted to convince herself, she decided to have another
vision? And this vision didn't mention sunset at all or anything not
contained in the previous vision, except that they should study the
Bible to find out what "even" really meant.
- A delegate reported that
"After the conference, November 20th, the vision was given, establishing those undecided on the sunset
time." The use of this quotation is devastating to these
criticisms, for it comes
from a pamphlet that demolishes every argument in this part of the
video.
- Adventists continued to ask questions.
False. It wasn't Seventh-day Adventists per se who were asking questions.
It was their opponents.
- Mrs.
White had visions saying that the Sabbath should be kept from 6pm to
6pm. False. Ellen White never had a single vision saying to
commence the Sabbath at 6pm, or at any other time than the biblical
"even unto even."
- It
required another vision. False. The vision quoted from is not even
another vision. It's the same November 20, 1855, vision.
- In
her vision Ellen White promised to question the angel. False. It
was the angel that made a promise, not Ellen White.
- According
to Spiritual Gifts, Ellen White promised that they would find
out why the visions had first said to keep the Sabbath from 6pm to
6pm. Out of context big time. Only two sentences after the
quotation used, Ellen White denies ever seeing in vision that the
Sabbath should begin at 6pm!
- Ellen White died without ever giving the promised explanation.
This charge implies that Ellen White was supposed to, but she was never told by the angel
who would give the promised explanation. The angel never
said who.
- The promised
explanation was never given. Actually, the promised explanation was
given by 1868,
47 years before Ellen White's death.
- After the change of time for keeping
the Sabbath, the Sabbath came to be understood as the seal. False. The
Sabbath was understood to be the seal at least six years before the change
to sunset time.
- The Sabbath was seen to be of prime
importance in determining who would be saved and who wouldn't. The
average viewer, uninformed about Adventist beliefs, will think that
Adventists believe Sunday keepers now have the mark of the beast while
Sabbath keepers have the seal. This is false.
- The Great Controversy supports
the idea that people have already gotten the mark of the beast by keeping
Sunday. The viewer tends to arrive at this conclusion because of the
speaker's choice of verb tenses, and the missing context of the quotation.
- Adventists believe that failing to
keep the Sabbath resulted in one's receiving the mark of the beast
and losing one's eternal life. False. Adventists do not believe that
this is a present reality. The use of the past tense verb "resulted"
in describing a future event is
an error.
- The Adventist view today about the
mark of the beast is severe. How can it be severe to believe that Christians
ought to obey the commandments of God? What does this say about what Jesus
said: "If ye love me, keep my commandments"?
- Adventists teach
that Sunday keeping is a mark of rebellion. Gross oversimplification.
Given the standard Protestant interpretations about the beast at the time
Adventism arose, and given some of the strong statements Catholics have made
about Sunday keeping, it's no wonder that Adventism arrived at the
interpretations that it did.
- Even today, Seventh-day Adventists have made salvation ultimately dependent on
which day of the week one worships. False. Adventists for the last
century and a half have taught that there are Sunday keepers who are bound
for heaven and Sabbath keepers who are bound for hell.
- Even today, Seventh-day Adventists have made salvation ultimately dependent on which day of the week one
worships. False. Adventists for the last
century and a half have taught that the reception of the mark of the beast
is a future event, not a present reality. And again, the use of the present tense for
"worship" is an error.
- The New Testament says that the seal
of God is the work of the Holy Spirit, not the keeping of the Sabbath.
It isn't that simple. The New Testament indicates that the last-day seal
does have something to do with the fourth commandment.
- Ellen White has no support at all for
identifying the Sabbath as the seal of God. False. She has all kinds of
support . . . from the Bible.
- Christ's resurrection day is the
Lord's Day. False. The Bible is crystal clear that 1) Jesus rose on the
first day of the week, and 2) the Lord's Day is the seventh day of the week.
One must wait over a hundred years after the resurrection before one finds a
document calling the resurrection day the Lord's Day.
- Christ's followers met
regularly on the resurrection day for their worship. There is no Bible
evidence for this statement. In all the New
Testament, we
have only one explicit instance of the disciples meeting on the first day of
the week for worship. In that one instance, they met on what we call
Saturday night.
- Christ's followers did not meet
regularly on the Sabbath for worship. False. This statement disagrees
with the book of Acts.
- The resurrection day was when the
disciples usually broke bread. False. Acts 2:46 says that they broke
bread daily,
not just on Sabbath or on Sunday.
- They did not break bread on the
Sabbath. False. If they broke bread daily, they must have done it on the
Sabbath as well.
- The Sabbath is Jewish. False.
Jesus Himself said that He made the Sabbath for both Adam and all his
descendents.
- Adventists teach that Satan becomes
the sin-bearer. False. Ellen White taught, and Adventists teach, that
Jesus is our only sin-bearer.
- Thus, Adventists differ from the plain
teaching of Scripture that Christ bore our sins on the cross. Straw man.
A Bible verse referring to the cross is used here to prove who the scapegoat
can and cannot be after the atonement is finished.
- Adventists strive to be included as
mainline evangelical Protestant Christians. Not really. We don't have to
strive. The largest church in the world says that we are the most
fundamental of the fundamentalists, and "the only consistent
Protestant."
- An Adventist pastor supplied the following five marks of a cult.
But the letter these five marks came from says that the co-producers and
script writer of the video have been supplying false information about
Seventh-day Adventists for 14 years! The video's credibility is thus called
into question.
- There is a "total reliance"
by Seventh-day Adventists on Ellen White. False. For Seventh-day
Adventists, the Bible is the final authority.
- Ellen White is revered by all
Seventh-day Adventists. False. This is far from the case, as the video
later admits.
- Ellen White's comments overshadow the
teachings of the Bible. False, and the Documentation Package proves
it.
- Adventists consider Ellen White's
comments on the Scriptures to be more authoritative than tradition. Of
course! We are Protestants, and for Protestants tradition is supposed to be
subordinated to the Holy Scriptures. An inspired prophet would be next in
line in authority to the Bible, and tradition would have to be less
authoritative than that.
- Ellen White pressured people into
submission. False. She was against pressuring people into submission.
- Ellen White publicly aired reproofs
sent to people. False. When some of them were printed for the benefit of
individuals having similar problems, she almost always left out the name and
address of the guilty.
- Usually the person conformed under
the pressure. Oversimplification. One instance being cited in the Documentation
Package essentially makes a joke out of this whole section in the video.
- Usually the person conformed under the
pressure. The incident just cited reveals a lack of
pressure on Ellen White's part.
- The type of pressure Ellen White used
is one of the marks of a cult. Rather ludicrous. If such an idea be
true, then the prophets of the Bible were just as cultic as Ellen White.
- Acceptance and fellowship are very often withheld today. The
evidence indicates that this is false.
- Withholding of acceptance and
fellowship for questioning doctrine is a characteristic of a cult. Questioning
is one thing. Attacking is another. Biblically, the church must deal with
members who practice grievous sins and teach false doctrines.
- Adventists originally denied the deity of Christ. False. An 1853 Advent
Review said, "Warn those who deny the divinity of the only Saviour, that they must perish everlastingly if they go on rejecting him, for it is fearful and blasphemous to reject him."
- Adventists must discontinue the doctrine that Michael is a name for
Christ. This can't be done while remaining true to Scripture.
- "Michael" being a name for Christ contradicts Hebrews 1:13.
False. Scripture uses the term "angel" in a number of ways. Sometimes
it refers to the uncreated Being who is simultaneously called the "Angel of the LORD,"
God, and Yahweh, and sometimes it refers just to the created angelic beings,
as in Hebrews 1:13. There is no biblical justification whatsoever for insisting that
Michael cannot be the divine "Angel of the LORD" and must
therefore be a created being.
- Adventists can't discontinue the doctrine that "Michael" is a
name for Christ without admitting that Ellen White made a mistake.
Oversimplification. Adventists would have to admit that Charles Spurgeon,
Matthew Henry, John Gill, and a host of others made a mistake too.
- It is impossible to accommodate both doctrines, that Christ is divine, and
that Michael is Christ. False, as can be seen from #93.
- Adventists have added the investigative judgment to salvation by
grace through faith in Christ alone. False. According to the New Testament,
to omit the judgment would be to delete it from the gospel.
- Adventists have added Sabbath keeping to salvation by grace through
faith in Christ alone. False. Omitting Sabbath keeping from the New Covenant
is to delete it from Christ's will. It is illegal to alter a will
after the one who made the will dies.
- Adventists have added obedience to the Ten Commandments as
requirements for salvation. False. Obedience is not a requirement for
justification or conversion. To omit obedience from requirements for
glorification is to effectively preach another gospel than the gospel Paul
and Jesus preached.
-
Adventists have added obedience to other Old Testament laws as
requirements for salvation. But both the New Testament and Old
Testament prophecies
about New Testament times indicate that believers should still abstain from
blood and unclean animals, and should return the tenth to God.
- Adventists believe that the world's sins have been placed upon Satan.
False. Adventists believe that no sins have been placed upon Satan.
- Adventists believe that the world's sins have been placed upon Satan rather than
upon Christ. False. Adventists do not believe that Satan bears our sins
instead of Christ. Christ is the only Sin-bearer.
- Adventists believe that Christians must stand before God without Christ as their mediator.
Straw man. Every Bible-believing Christian who has studied the matter knows
that Christ's mediatorial work must cease just before He returns.
- This contradicts Hebrews 7:25. Straw man. Hebrews 7:25 is talking about
the present. It is not talking about eternity, when we will no longer need a
mediator.
- Adventists believe that salvation comes by placing sin upon Satan. Utterly
false. Adventists believe that salvation comes through our Sin-bearer, Jesus
Christ. The sins are only placed upon Satan after salvation is
completely finished. That event is future.
- The Adventist view of salvation, placing sin upon Satan, is not the salvation taught in the
Bible. Straw man. Since this is not the Adventist view of salvation, the
point is totally irrelevant.
- Four of the five marks of a cult apply to Seventh-day Adventists. False.
None of the five marks apply to Seventh-day Adventists.
- These five marks of a cult are very important. If Jeremiah Films really
believes this, why don't they make a video about a much
larger church
that clearly does fit these marks?
- Adventist leaders deceptively espoused the view of salvation
by grace alone in the 1950's. False. Adventists had been teaching "grace
alone" long before the 1950's. For instance, Ellen White wrote that "by grace alone can they be
saved" in 1890. And in 1869 she wrote, "It is through his grace alone that Satan can be successfully
repulsed."
- Many followers felt betrayed by such an espousal of salvation by grace
alone. False. Some conservative members felt betrayed because M. L. Andreason, a prominent theologian, said
that the book Questions on Doctrine contained capitulations on some finer points of Adventist
theology.
- Those who felt betrayed began searching for themselves, and made lurid
discoveries. False. The conservative element who felt betrayed did not do
the searching referred to. The liberal element who did not feel betrayed
engaged in "searching" into other issues, and in consequence ultimately abandoned a number of crucial teachings found
in Scripture, including the teaching that Scripture must be the final authority!
- "The Adventist Church had deceived me." If the (mis)information the
preacher told you was anything like what is on this video, then it was he
who deceived you, not the Adventist Church. At least, he didn't know what he
was talking about.
- "I was never presented with
[Ellen White's copying] in the [elementary] school system." Seems like 1st or 5th grade might be a bit early
to deal with Peter or Jude copying from each other. Though these are obviously not issues for
elementary school students to grapple with, I wouldn't be surprised if some 7th or 8th grades do touch on it.
- ". . . all these writings she had
. . . plagiarized, . . . I felt . . . lied
to." Do you feel lied to
because between Matthew, Mark, and Luke, two copied from the other? Do you
feel lied to because John copied from others when he put together the book of
Revelation? Even though they copied, can you prove that Ellen White, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John,
Peter, and Jude are guilty of "plagiarism"?
- ". . . the [Adventist] Church was
inconsistent theologically and politically." Straw man. Jesus said it
would be this way.
- ". . . the [ Adventist] Church
was inconsistent theologically and politically." This argument is what
many use to excuse themselves from becoming Christians. The Bible characters
were woefully inconsistent too. Does that make them members of a cult?
- "When expedient, they . . . contradicted Ellen
G. White. . . ." The truth is out! Adventists don't follow Ellen White after
all.
- "The last three years have been the most spiritually rewarding of my thirty-one years as a Christian."
This key witness thus declares that he was both a Christian and an Adventist
for 28 years, part of which time he was an Adventist minister as well. Despite all what the video says,
according to this speaker, Adventists are Christians, and
Adventist ministers are Christian ministers.
- The Adventist Church does not uphold the Bible as the sole authority of both faith and practice.
If this is true, which it isn't, why does everyone who becomes a member of
the Adventist Church have to vow before God that they "believe that the Bible is the
inspired Word of God, and that it constitutes the only rule of faith and
practice for the Christian"?
- "Jesus saves us not by our deeds.
. . ." Straw man, since this is
precisely what Seventh-day Adventists believe.
- "Because you're not going to be able to get this information from your
church." It would be a rare church that could produce this much
misinformation single-handed.
- The Documentation Package substantiates the information contained
in the video. The Documentation Package substantiates hardly
anything. Sometimes it proves that the information on the video is
erroneous.
- A number of former high-ranking Adventist Church leaders are featured on
the video. Based on the information in the video, not one former
high-ranking leader is featured.
- The video contains answers based on the best scholarship. If this video
contains answers based on the best scholarship, what would the worst
scholarship be like?
- The video contains answers based on firm adherence to the truths of God's
Word. In actuality, the video undermines faith in the authority and
teachings of God's Word in a number of subtle ways.
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Major Factual Errors
- (#1) All quotes of Ellen White in
video are from official sources. False. Some quotes just don't
exist at all, or don't exist in the form portrayed on the video.
- (#7) October 22 was not the Day of
Atonement in 1844 False. Biblically speaking, it was the Day of Atonement
for that year.
- (#8) Miller's meetings were marked
by emotionalism and hysteria. False. Miller and his associates suppressed
all such things.
- (#14) Ellen White's first vision
said that the 1843 chart should not be altered. False. Her first vision
was in December 1844. This one was on September 23, 1850.
- (#16) Ellen White claimed God had
made the mistake. False. She made no such claim.
- (#18) Ellen White's vision forced
readjustment of many Adventist dates and doctrines. False. Many dates and
doctrines were not readjusted as the result of either her first vision
or the vision of 1850.
- (#19) Ellen White's
vision readjusted the 1843 date to 1844. False. It was already readjusted
months before she had her first vision.
- (#25) Twenty-seven Fundamental
beliefs say that the Bible is a source of authority.
False.
They state that the Bible is the source of authority.
- (#27) Some of Ellen White's
writings are unavailable, locked in a vault. False. All published
writings are available on CD-ROM. Unpublished writings are available
at 15 locations, and are only locked away after hours.
- (#50) With prophetic authority
Ellen White supported the shut-door-of-mercy doctrine. False. She never
did.
- (#51) Her first vision taught the
shut-door-of-mercy doctrine. False. Her first vision taught that there
would have to be a lot of evangelism yet before Christ returned.
- (#53) The other shut-door-of-mercy
passages were dropped after 1851. False. There were no other shut-door
passages.
- (#55) Adventists never admitted
their error regarding expecting Jesus to come in 1844. False. Adventists
freely admitted their error.
- (#59) Soul sleep was introduced
because of the investigative judgment doctrine. False. Soul sleep was introduced before
October 22, 1844, while the investigative judgment was formulated
afterwards.
- (#70) The investigative judgment
doctrine teaches that believers will be lost if they have forgotten sins. Not even the Documentation Package could
find a quotation to substantiate this wild charge.
- (#75) Seventh-day
Adventists have their own version of the Bible. Not so. Jack Blanco's paraphrase
is not in any sense an official Seventh-day Adventist version. I do not own a copy and have no
present intention to get one.
-
(#77) In The Clear Word, the
words and
ideas of Ellen White are inserted into the biblical text. False. The words and ideas of theologian and college professor Jack Blanco, not
Ellen White, are inserted.
-
(#81) The Clear Word was
written to support their prophetess. The Clear
Word contains the words and ideas of
Jack Blanco, not Ellen White, and was not written to support
"their prophetess."
-
(#86) Adventists teach that
Christ's atonement on the cross was incomplete. This is blatantly
false. Christ's atonement on the cross was complete.
-
(#88) Adventists teach that
there is no hell. This is blatantly false. Adventists consistently
teach that there is a hell.
-
(#90) Many of the doctrines of
Adventists are similar to Jehovah's Witnesses. This is no more
true than the statement that "many" doctrines of other
denominations are similar to Jehovah's Witnesses.
-
(#91) N. H. Barbour was an
early Adventist. False. The impression is left that Barbour was a
Seventh-day Adventist, and there is no evidence that he ever was.
-
(#94) Uriah Smith and James
White denied the deity of Christ like the Jehovah's Witnesses.
False. They were always firm believers in the deity of Christ.
-
(#95) Both Jehovah's Witnesses
and Seventh-day Adventists have produced altered versions of the
Bible.
False. The New World Translation is a translation produced by
the Watchtower Society. The Clear
Word is an expanded paraphrase put out by a private individual.
-
(#96) Both Jehovah's Witnesses
and Seventh-day Adventists have set dates for Christ's return.
False.
Jehovah's Witnesses have set dates, but not for Christ's return. And
Sabbatarian Adventists early on took a strong stand against
date-setting. Ellen White opposed such as early as 1845, even before
becoming a Sabbatarian. Seventh-day Adventists as such did not exist in
1844.
-
(#97) Both Jehovah's Witnesses
and Seventh-day Adventists claim to be the only remnant church.
False.
Jehovah's Witnesses claim that, as of 1991, 99.9169% of Jehovah's
Witnesses are not the remnant.
-
(#99) Both Jehovah's Witnesses and
Seventh-day Adventists were "guilty" of plagiarism. J.
A. Brown published his book in Britain. Since there was no copyright
in America at the time on British books, neither Russell nor anyone
else could be said to be "guilty," even if they had copied
it.
-
(#102) Ellen White's major
books contained "stolen" material. What she did cannot
be called "stealing" since the words she took did not belong
to the original writers.
-
(#103) Sketches from the
Life of Paul was plagiarized in its entirety.
False. The books are different, as anyone who peruses them can plainly
see.
-
(#104) This resulted in a lawsuit.
False. Such a lawsuit would have been a legal impossibility.
- (#105) Because of this, the book
was quickly taken out of print. False. Published in 1883, the book
was promoted in Signs of the Times through 1885, advertised in Great
Controversy through 1887, and included on the title page of Great
Controversy until 1907 in England, homeland of the authors who
were "stolen" from.
- (#107) The main line of defense
in the book The White Truth is that there were no copyright
laws back then. False. Out of the six chapters in this 98-page
book, one deals with plagiarism. Out of 16 pages in that chapter, only
4 deal with what copyright laws were like back then.
-
(#108) The White Truth
says
that there were no copyright laws back then. False. Page 32 says
that the first American copyright law was passed in 1790.
-
(#109) The White Truth
sidestepped
the issue by concentrating on the legal question. False. The video
is confusing the two allegations: 1) Ellen White was "guilty"
of theft. 2) Ellen White got her inspiration from others. The White
Truth deals with both allegations, as well as other points.
-
(#110) The Adventist hierarchy has
been unable to respond to Rea's challenge: Prove that 20% of Ellen
White's writings are original. False. The "hierarchy"
responded to his challenge 31 years before his book was written.
- (#115) Most of her health advice
dealt with suppressing the male sexual urge. Absolutely
ludicrous(!), as anyone who has read her books knows.
- (#123) Ellen White advised
skipping all suppers in order to bring the male sexual appetites under
control. False. Professor Fowler said this, not Ellen White. She
consistently said that some people need a third meal (though two meals
are better for most), and even called for Avondale College to begin to
serve suppers.
-
(#128) Ellen
White controlled her female followers through directives on dress.
False. She was opposed to anyone forcing convictions about dress on
people.
-
(#129) Ellen
White was against wearing any kind of wig. False. The context of her
statement clearly shows that she was not talking about simple wigs. Her
published and released writings do not contain the word "wig"
at all.
-
(#132) Ellen
White tried to force the reform dress on people. False. As pointed
out under #128, she was against forcing the reform
dress on anyone.
-
(#133) The
reform dress was hot.
False. Far from being hot, it was
comparatively light. The dress was designed as a healthful alternative
to the too-heavy, too-long, multiple skirts typically worn by women in
those days.
-
(#134) The
reform dress was uncomfortable. False. This light dress was designed
for comfort as well as for health.
-
(#135) The
reform dress was bulky. False. Nor
was this light dress bulky.
-
(#136) The
reform dress was long. False. It was not long. Besides
being called the "reform dress," it was also called
the "short dress."
- (#137) Faithful sisters
struggled with the reform dress. False. Problems arose when these so-called
"faithful sisters" did one of the following: a) wouldn't quit complaining about not
being fashionable, b) pushed the dress on others contrary to Ellen
White's expressed counsel, or c) constructed it distastefully.
-
(#138) The reform dress was
cumbersome. False. This light dress was
not cumbersome.
-
(#139) Ellen White gave no
explanation for why she quit wearing her reform dress. False. She
explained the matter well.
-
(#141) Ellen White taught that you
have to keep the letter of the law to put yourself on the road to salvation.
False. She taught that you are totally incapable of obeying God's
commandments until you have come to Christ.
-
(#143) Ellen White had no patience
with Christians who say, I am saved. Ellen White was not denouncing
the doctrines of justification and righteousness by faith. The first
quotation is not talking about those who mean, "I have been justified."
The second quotation is referring to those who believe they can continue to
murder and steal and sell dope, and still go to heaven.
-
(#145) Adventists believe that Jesus made
the down payment for our salvation, but we must make the monthly installments.
Thus it is suggested that Adventists believe we partially earn our
salvation. This is false.
-
(#146) Adventists do not rely upon
the grace of God alone. Ellen White repeatedly said we must rely
upon the grace of God alone.
-
(#157) Soul sleep was
introduced because of the investigative judgment doctrine. False.
Soul sleep was introduced before 1844, and the video makes it
clear that the investigative judgment doctrine came after 1844.
- (#160) Adventists do not teach the biblical doctrine of hell.
Actually, Seventh-day Adventists do teach the biblical doctrine of hell, and always have.
- (#162) Ellen
White obliged by conveniently
having a vision.
Ellen White could not pretend to have a vision. Because of the definitely supernatural
characteristics of her visions, they
could not be faked.
- (#163) Her
vision about the Sabbath introduced the Sabbath to her followers.
The Sabbath was already well introduced among Millerites before this
vision of April 3, 1847.
- (#165) Ellen
White decided to have another vision. As mentioned before, for her
to decide to have a vision was an absolute impossibility.
- (#168) Adventists continued to ask questions.
False. It wasn't Seventh-day Adventists per se who were asking questions.
It was their opponents.
- (#169) Mrs.
White had visions saying that the Sabbath should be kept from 6pm to
6pm. False. Ellen White never had a
single vision saying to commence the Sabbath at 6pm, or at any other
time than the biblical "even unto even."
- (#170) It required another vision. False. The vision
quoted from is not even another vision. It's the same November 20, 1855,
vision.
- (#171) In
her vision Ellen White promised to question the angel. False. It
was the angel that made a promise, not Ellen White.
- (#173) Ellen White died without ever giving the promised explanation.
This charge implies that Ellen White was supposed to, but she was never told
by the angel who would give the promised explanation. The angel never said
who.
- (#174) The promised
explanation was never given. Actually, the promised explanation was
given by 1868,
47 years before Ellen White's death.
- (#178) Adventists
believe that failing
to keep the Sabbath resulted in one's receiving the mark of the beast and
losing one's eternal life. False. Adventists do not believe that this
is a present reality. The use of the past tense verb "resulted" in
describing a future event is an error.
-
(#182) Even today, Seventh-day Adventists have made salvation ultimately dependent on which day of the week one
worships. False. Adventists for the last century and a half have
taught that the reception of the mark of the beast is a future event, not a
present reality. And again, the use of the present tense for
"worship" is an error.
- (#184) Ellen White has no support at
all for identifying the Sabbath as the seal of God. False. She has all
kinds of support . . . from the Bible.
- (#185) Christ's resurrection day is
the Lord's Day. False. The Bible is crystal clear that 1) Jesus rose on
the first day of the week, and 2) the Lord's Day is the seventh day of the
week. One must wait over a hundred years after the resurrection before one
finds a document calling the resurrection day the Lord's Day.
- (#186) Christ's followers met
regularly on the resurrection day for their worship. There is no Bible
evidence for this statement. In all the New
Testament, we
have only one explicit instance of the disciples meeting on the first day of
the week for worship. In that one instance, they met on what we call
Saturday night.
- (#187) Christ's followers did not meet
regularly on the Sabbath for worship. False. This statement disagrees
with the book of Acts.
- (#188) The resurrection day was when
the disciples usually broke bread. False. Acts 2:46 says that they broke
bread daily,
not just on Sabbath or on Sunday.
- (#189) They did not break bread on the
Sabbath. False. If they broke bread daily, they must have done it on the
Sabbath as well.
- (#190) The Sabbath is Jewish.
False. Jesus Himself said that He made the Sabbath for both Adam and all his
descendents.
- (#191) Adventists teach that Satan
becomes the sin-bearer. False. Ellen White taught, and Adventists teach,
that Jesus is our only sin-bearer.
- (#195) There is a "total
reliance" by Seventh-day Adventists on Ellen White. False. For
Seventh-day Adventists, the Bible is the final authority.
- (#197) Ellen White's comments
overshadow the teachings of the Bible. False, and the Documentation
Package proves it.
- (#200) Ellen White publicly aired
reproofs sent to people. False. When some of them were printed for the
benefit of individuals having similar problems, she almost always left out
the name and address of the guilty.
- (#206) Adventists originally denied the deity of Christ. False. An 1853 Advent
Review said, "Warn those who deny the divinity of the only Saviour, that they must perish everlastingly if they go on rejecting him, for it is fearful and blasphemous to reject him."
- (#208) "Michael" being a name for Christ contradicts Hebrews 1:13.
False. Scripture uses the term "angel" in a number of ways.
Sometimes it refers to the uncreated Being who is simultaneously called the
"Angel of the LORD," God, and Yahweh, and sometimes it refers just
to the created angelic beings, as in Hebrews 1:13. There is no biblical
justification whatsoever for insisting that Michael cannot be the divine
"Angel of the LORD" and must therefore be a created being.
- (#210) It is impossible to accommodate both doctrines, that Christ is divine, and
that Michael is Christ. False, as can be seen from #93.
- (#215) Adventists believe that the world's sins have been placed upon Satan.
False. Adventists believe that no sins have been placed upon Satan.
- (#216) Adventists believe that the world's sins have been placed upon Satan rather than
upon Christ. False. Adventists do not believe that Satan bears our sins
instead of Christ. Christ is the only Sin-bearer.
- (#219) Adventists believe that salvation comes by placing sin upon Satan. Utterly
false. Adventists believe that salvation comes through our Sin-bearer, Jesus
Christ. The sins are only placed upon Satan after salvation is
completely finished. That event is future.
- (#221) Four of the five marks of a cult apply to Seventh-day Adventists. False.
None of the five marks apply to Seventh-day Adventists.
- (#223) Adventist leaders deceptively espoused the view of salvation
by grace alone in the 1950's. False. Adventists had been teaching
"grace alone" long before the 1950's. For instance, Ellen White
wrote that "by grace alone can they be saved" in 1890. And in 1869
she wrote, "It is through his grace alone that Satan can be
successfully repulsed."
- (#236) The Documentation Package substantiates the information contained
in the video. The Documentation Package substantiates hardly
anything. Sometimes it proves that the information on the video is
erroneous.
- (#237) A number of former high-ranking Adventist Church leaders are featured on
the video. Based on the information in the video, not one former
high-ranking leader is featured.
- (#238) The video contains answers based on the best scholarship. If this video
contains answers based on the best scholarship, what would the worst
scholarship be like?
Lesser Inaccuracies: Less Important Than
"Major Factual Errors"
- (#2) Adventism is based around the
teachings and philosophies of Ellen White. False. Most
Seventh-day Adventist doctrines had been
discovered in the Bible and accepted before she wrote them out.
- (#3) Ellen White was the founder of
the Adventist Church. She was not the sole founder.
- (#6) Miller taught that Christ would
return on October 22, 1844. False. As of October 21, 1844, he had
not yet accepted the date of October 22, much less taught it.
- (#11) Ellen White was depressed
when Christ did not return on October 22. False. The record indicates
that she was not.
- (#12) Ellen White could not admit
her mistake of expecting Christ to return. False. She first admitted what
she thought was a mistake, and then admitted that she had made a
mistake in identifying the wrong mistake.
- (#17) Ellen White's vision was
controversial. False. There was nothing controversial about it.
- (#20) The 1844 date was still an
error.
Cannot be presently proven. No better interpretation of the prophecies in question has
ever been found.
- (#21) Ellen White became the
absolute authority figure. False. She never has been the absolute
authority figure.
- (#24) Church publications use her
writings as the last word on doctrine. False. The Bible is the last word.
- (#30) History shows that Ellen
White's prophecies did not come true. Not one sound, clear-cut example is
given.
- (#31) She said Jerusalem would
never be built up. The phrase "built up" had a different
meaning at times back then.
- (#33) She said the second coming
was only months away. False. She said no such thing.
- (#36) She predicted the downfall
of the United States. False. She predicted defeat if
certain conditions didn't change.
- (#38) Ellen White predicted
England would declare war on the United States. False. She never said
England would declare war.
- (#39) She predicted world war
during the Civil War. False. She never said there would be
world war at that time.
- (#40) Ellen White predicted the
humbling of the United States in defeat. False. She predicted the
nation's humbling, which came to pass, but she never said the nation would
be defeated.
- (#42) Ellen White said animals and
people crossed sexually. False. She said no such thing.
- (#46) The investigative judgment
doctrine was a reinterpretation.
Not really, for Miller had been teaching for over a decade prior to
1844 that the judgment was about to begin.
- (#47) Miller's prediction of
October 22, 1844, failed. As mentioned under #6,
Miller didn't make this prediction or even accept it. As far as his
calculations go, his most learned opponents, like Dr. George Bush,
could find no fault in them, and the greatest scholars of several
centuries had come to similar conclusions.
- (#54) The other shut-door-of-mercy
passages were reinterpreted after 1851. Besides there being
no other shut-door passages, the "reinterpretations" came well before
1851.
- (#57) All doctrines were soon
adjusted to fit the cleansing of the sanctuary and the investigative
judgment doctrines. The
doctrines identified do not fit this description.
- (#60) The prophecies of Daniel and
Revelation were reinterpreted to fit the investigative judgment.
The basic interpretations of Daniel and Revelation were already worked
out before Edson and Crosier published their findings on the cleansing
of the sanctuary in 1846, and before the doctrine of the investigative
judgment was crystallized in 1857.
- (#61) It was a time of doctrinal
reversal. Neither the video nor its documentation provides
evidence that that time was characterized by doctrinal reversal.
- (#63) Ellen White taught that we
would be judged for trying to have some leisure time. False. She
taught that we must have leisure time in order to be balanced people.
- (#65) The investigative judgment
doctrine cannot be supported by the Scriptures. False. It can be
supported by the Scriptures.
- (#67) The investigative judgment
doctrine is blatantly unbiblical. False. This point is similar to #65,
but more Scriptures are added under this number to show that it is
biblical.
- (#72) The investigative judgment
doctrine teaches that all believers will be lost if they do not keep
the Fourth Commandment. False. Both Ellen White and the New
Testament teach that God does not hold what we do not know and could
not know against us.
- (#76) This Seventh-day
Adventist version is known as The Clear Word
Bible. Not any more. Quite a few quickly realized that something
like this might come up one day, so the second edition carries only the
title, The Clear Word. The contributors to the video knew
this.
- (#80) It's called
The
Clear Word Version. Why did the makers of the video change the
title of Jack Blanco's paraphrase? It's not called The Clear Word
Version.
- (#82) The Clear
Word manipulates and distorts
Scripture. Again,
paraphrases contain, by their very nature, the inclusion of
interpretations into the text.
- (#84) The Study Bible is
"theirs." False. It was published by a private
organization, not the denomination, so it cannot be said to be
"theirs."
- (#98) Both Jehovah's Witnesses and
Seventh-day Adventists plagiarized. No attempt is made by the
video or Documentation Package to prove that Russell or any
Jehovah's Witness ever read J. A. Brown's book.
- (#106) The evidence is
irrefutable that Ellen White "stole" her inspiration from
others. False. It has already been demonstrated in this critique
that the evidence is anything but irrefutable.
- (#114) Ellen White's early
health documents produce a rude awakening because of their fixation on
moral issues. A minor portion of her early health documents dealt
with moral issues.
- (#116) Most of her health advice
dealt with suppressing the male sexual urge, which she thought was
excessive. Technically, she was against the excessive indulgence
of sexual urges by both men and women.
-
(#117) Mrs. White felt she had been given special light on
the subject of masturbation. That this was the opinion of her
grandson the Documentation Package proves, but no evidence is
ever given to substantiate that Ellen White herself felt she had
been given special light.
-
(#131) After
Ellen White dealt with wigs, she introduced the reform dress. False.
The reform dress was introduced more than six years before her counsel
against heavy hairpieces.
- (#140) Ellen White said those
who aren't vegetarians when Jesus comes can't go to heaven. False.
She never made such an extreme statement.
- (#147) Adventists are striving to be
rigidly obedient. False. Many Adventists will tell you that the
Adventist Church has grown a bit lax.
- (#148) Adventists are inflexible, guilt-ridden legalists.
False. While it is true that every faith has its legalists, the vast
majority of Adventists are opposed to legalistic concepts. Legalism is generally not the cause of guilt but a faulty method of trying to get rid of the guilt brought on by a conviction of sin. Therefore the discovery of a genuinely guilt-ridden legalist would indeed be a rare find, regardless of his or
her religious affiliation.
- (#152) We are not under the
tutorship of the law, so we don't have to worry about obeying the law.
This inaccuracy ignores what Paul meant by the phrase
"under the law."
- (#154) Being under the law
leads to sin. Actually, according to the New Testament, it seems
more natural to say that sinning leads to being under the law, rather
than that being under the law leads to sinning.
- (#158) The doctrine of soul
sleep is unbiblical. Not so. Tyndale, Luther, Wycliffe, and many
others came up with this idea just from studying the Bible. Besides,
saying that our souls are immortal undermines the necessity of 1) the
gospel, 2) the resurrection, and 3) the second coming.
- (#159) Conditional immortality flies in the face of two Scriptures.
Actually, it doesn't, unless we want to say that the Bible contradicts
itself. Martin's interpretation of these two texts in actuality flies
in the face of hundreds of Bible texts from Genesis to Revelation.
- (#161) The
Adventist view that Sabbath keeping is a mark of true loyalty to God
is severe. But the speaker basically already admitted that Sabbath
keeping is a mark of true loyalty to God.
- (#166) The
vision was intended to settle the matter with the dissenters.
According to one account, there were only
two dissenters: Joseph Bates and Ellen White. Does it not sound a bit
preposterous that since Ellen White wanted to convince herself, she
decided to have another vision? And this vision didn't mention sunset
at all or anything not contained in the previous vision, except that
they should study the Bible to find out what "even" really
meant.
- (#175) After the change of time for
keeping the Sabbath, the Sabbath came to be understood as the seal.
False. The Sabbath was understood to be the seal at least six years before
the change to sunset time.
- (#176) The Sabbath was seen to be of
prime importance in determining who would be saved and who wouldn't. The
average viewer, uninformed about Adventist beliefs, will think that
Adventists believe Sunday keepers now have the mark of the beast while
Sabbath keepers have the seal. This is false.
- (#181) Even today, Seventh-day Adventists have made salvation ultimately dependent on which day of the week one
worships. False. Adventists for the last
century and a half have taught that there are Sunday keepers who are bound
for heaven and Sabbath keepers who are bound for hell.
- (#193) Adventists strive to be
included as mainline evangelical Protestant Christians. Not really. We
don't have to strive. The largest church in the world says that we are the
most fundamental of the fundamentalists, and "the only consistent
Protestant."
-
(#196) Ellen White is revered by all
Seventh-day Adventists. False. This is far from the case, as the video
later admits.
- (#199) Ellen White pressured people
into submission. False. She was against pressuring people into
submission.
- (#202) Usually the person conformed
under the pressure. The incident just cited reveals a lack
of pressure on Ellen White's part.
- (#204) Acceptance and fellowship are very often withheld today. The
evidence indicates that this is false.
- (#207) Adventists must discontinue the doctrine that Michael is a name for
Christ. This can't be done while remaining true to Scripture.
- (#211) Adventists have added the investigative judgment to salvation by
grace through faith in Christ alone. False. According to the New Testament,
to omit the judgment would be to delete it from the gospel.
- (#212) Adventists have added Sabbath keeping to salvation by grace through
faith in Christ alone. False. Omitting Sabbath keeping from the New Covenant
is to delete it from Christ's will. It is illegal to alter a will
after the one who made the will dies.
- (#213) Adventists have added obedience to the Ten Commandments as
requirements for salvation. False. Obedience is not a requirement for
justification or conversion. To omit obedience from requirements for
glorification is to effectively preach another gospel than the gospel Paul
and Jesus preached.
-
(#214) Adventists have added obedience to other Old Testament laws as
requirements for salvation. But both the New Testament and Old
Testament prophecies
about New Testament times indicate that believers should still abstain from
blood and unclean animals, and should return the tenth to God.
- (#224) Many followers felt betrayed by such an espousal of salvation by grace
alone. False. Some conservative members felt betrayed because M. L.
Andreason, a prominent theologian, said
that the book Questions on Doctrine contained capitulations on some finer points of Adventist
theology.
- (#225) Those who felt betrayed began searching for themselves, and made lurid
discoveries. False. The conservative element who felt betrayed did not
do the searching referred to. The liberal element who did not feel betrayed
engaged in "searching" into other issues, and in consequence
ultimately abandoned a number of crucial teachings found in Scripture,
including the teaching that Scripture must be the final authority!
- (#226) "The Adventist Church had deceived me." If the (mis)information the
preacher told you was anything like what is on this video, then it was he
who deceived you, not the Adventist Church. At least, he didn't know what he
was talking about.
- (#233) The Adventist Church does not uphold the Bible as the sole authority of both faith and practice.
If this is true, which it isn't, why does everyone who becomes a member of
the Adventist Church have to vow before God that they "believe that the Bible is the
inspired Word of God, and that it constitutes the only rule of faith and
practice for the Christian"?
- (#235) "Because you're not going to be able to get this information from your
church." It would be a rare church that could produce this much
misinformation single-handed.
- (#239) The video contains answers based on firm adherence to the truths of God's
Word. In actuality, the video undermines faith in the authority
and teachings of God's Word in a number of subtle ways.
Bad Quotations: Non-Existent, Rearranged, or Context
Removed
- (#10) When Christ did not return,
Ellen White said she was in a "hopeless condition for
months." She said no such thing.
- (#15) Ellen White claimed God
hid the mistake. Bad quotation. The last clause that was omitted
explains that her words meant that God was not revealing the mistake
to the people, rather than hiding it.
- (#37) She made false predictions
during the Civil War. This quotation from Ellen White has been rearranged.
- (#52) The preface to the
reprinting of her first vision said there was no change in idea or
sentiment. It said no such thing. Instead, the preface said that a
portion was left out.
-
(#118) Mrs. White (apparently) gives
a list of diseases caused by masturbation. Actually, the quotation
is not accurate. The video combines a statement by Mrs. Gove with the
views of Dr. Deslandes. The video adds words, and omits words and
quotation marks without using an ellipsis. The average viewer cannot
tell that Ellen White never wrote this.
-
(#119) [Not in all
editions of the video.] Mrs. White (apparently) said kids
will get green skin. These are the words of Dr. E. P. Miller,
not Ellen White.
-
(#120) Ellen
White said that meat inflames the passions. The quotation
leaves this impression only because it is out of context.
-
(#122) Ellen White (apparently) said,
"Sip no more the
beverage of China, no more the drinks of Java." These are the
words of Professor O. S. Fowler, not the words of Ellen G. White.
-
(#124) [Not in all
editions of the video.] Ellen White (apparently) said
the use of feather beds led to masturbation. False. Dr. E. P.
Miller, not Ellen White, is quoted. He was against sleeping on
feather beds in small, unventilated rooms, not against
sleeping on feather beds per se.
- (#142) Ellen White had no
patience with those who say, I am saved. The quotation has been
rearranged and has had the context removed.
- (#172) According
to Spiritual Gifts, Ellen White promised that they would find
out why the visions had first said to keep the Sabbath from 6pm to
6pm. Out of context big time. Only
two sentences after the quotation used, Ellen White denies ever seeing
in vision that the Sabbath should begin at 6pm!
- (#177) The Great Controversy supports
the idea that people have already gotten the mark of the beast by keeping
Sunday. The viewer tends to arrive at this conclusion because of the
speaker's choice of verb tenses, and the missing context of the quotation.
Bad Pictures: Pictures That Grossly Misrepresent
the Facts
- (#9) Picture depicts radical
fanaticism of Miller's meetings. False. Picture is actually of a critic's
description of a post-1844 meeting that Miller was not present at.
- (#43) The picture indicates that
Ellen White believed that the crossing of people and animals
produced the black race. Ellen White never said if she was talking
about Blacks, Whites, or Asians.
There is no basis for the use of such a picture.
- (#127) [Not in all
editions of the video.] The picture illustrating the
last point, showing a shivering man with his feet in boiling water
over a camp fire, depicts Battle Creek's hydrotherapy treatment.
False. The quote the picture is illustrating says that you must not
get chilled. Also, the heat source for a hot foot bath is never under
the basin of water, which is never boiling. The
picture is totally inaccurate.
- (#130) The
picture of a skeleton looking through a window at a woman who is
presumably putting on a simple wig. The picture doesn't illustrate
at all the heavy monstrosities Ellen White was talking about.
Oversimplifications: More Detail Would Neutralize
Point
- (#4) William Miller was a powerful
preacher. Miller was a Baptist preacher, and but one of 200
preachers and 500 lecturers from many denominations all preaching
about the same thing.
- (#5) Miller taught that Christ would
return in 1843. His major point of difference with the theology of
the times was not the date, but his conviction that Christ would come
visibly and literally before the millennium instead of after.
- (#13) Miller admitted his mistake
of expecting Christ to return in 1843 or 1844. He did not admit a
mistake in his interpretations of the prophecies. Rather, he thought
there must be a mistake in the chronologies used by historians, which
might throw his calculations off a little.
- (#28) Her more embarrassing
writings are unavailable. What makes them embarrassing is that
sometimes she had to rebuke people's problems, like adultery.
- (#34) She said some would be food
for worms and some would be alive when Jesus came. The video omits an immediate fulfillment in which
a woman actually present at the conference was impressed that she
would "food for worms." She was dead within three
days.
- (#56) Ellen White immediately put
God's endorsement on Edson and Crosier's conclusions. She put
God's endorsement on their conclusions before she had heard about
them.
- (#58) The shut door was opened.
As in the apostolic church, God opened the door of opportunity to
reach others with the truths of His Word. This had nothing to do with
the cleansing of the sanctuary and the investigative judgment
doctrines.
- (#64) The investigative judgment
doctrine is unique to Seventh-day Adventists. Not quite. Nearly
every basic aspect of this doctrine has been taught by prominent
scholars of other faiths.
- (#66) The investigative judgment
doctrine states that a believer's works determines their salvation.
Not quite. The investigative judgment doctrine does not teach that the
believer's works determine his salvation in the sense meant by the
typical evangelical when he says, "I'm saved."
- (#100) Walter Rea's The White Lie was dedicated to those who
would rather believe a bitter truth than a sweet lie. The bitter
"truth" both declared and implied by The White
Lie is totally repugnant to
evangelicals who believe in the final authority of Scripture.
- (#112) Her visions which she
claimed came from God were shaky. One thing the video doesn't
touch with a ten-foot pole is the fact that she didn't breathe and had
supernatural strength during her public visions.
- (#121) Ellen
White said rich and highly seasoned foods act as aphrodisiacs.
Medical science has neither proven nor disproven what she said. It's
like when she said that cancer is caused by a germ. She said this five years
before a maverick scientist proposed the idea. After being
ridiculed by the scientific community, this scientist years later
won the Nobel Prize for being right.
-
(#126) [Not in all
editions of the video.] The Battle Creek Sanitarium
used hydrotherapy to treat secret vice. Actually, hydrotherapy
treatments stimulate the immune system and increase the white blood
cell count. They have been used successfully to treat a variety of
ailments.
-
(#164) Adventists
weren't following what the Bible says about beginning the Sabbath at
sunset. The Bible "says"
to keep the Sabbath from "even to even." It doesn't
"say" to keep the Sabbath from sunset to sunset. Therefore
these Adventists were not blatantly disregarding the Bible during
the time they were unclear about the true meaning of
"even."
-
(#180)
Adventists teach that Sunday keeping is a mark of
rebellion.
Gross oversimplification. Given the standard
Protestant interpretations about the beast at the time Adventism
arose, and given some of the strong statements Catholics have made
about Sunday keeping, it's no wonder that Adventism arrived at the
interpretations that it did.
- (#183) The New Testament says that the
seal of God is the work of the Holy Spirit, not the keeping of the Sabbath.
It isn't that simple. The New Testament indicates that the last-day seal
does have something to do with the fourth commandment.
-
(#201) Usually the person conformed under
the pressure. One instance being cited in the Documentation
Package essentially makes a joke out of this whole section in the video.
- (#209) Adventists can't discontinue the doctrine that "Michael" is a
name for Christ without admitting that Ellen White made a mistake. Adventists would have to admit that Charles Spurgeon,
Matthew Henry, John Gill, and a host of others made a mistake too.
Straw-Man Arguments: Arguments Against Points That
Are Basically Irrelevant
- (#22) Her writings grew to be
seventeen times larger than the Bible. So? Luther, Wesley,
and Spurgeon wrote a lot too.
- (#23) Adventists view her writings
as inspired as the Bible. So? Adventists believe in degrees of
authority, but not in degrees of inspiration.
- (#26) Ellen White's writings are an
authoritative source of truth. So? The Adventist quote referred to ends
by saying that the Bible is to be the standard by which
Ellen White's writings are tested.
- (#29) She claimed an angel stood
by her bed. So? Angels came to visit Bible writers too.
- (#41) She claimed to travel to
other planets in vision. So? John, Ezekiel, and Paul as well tell
us about their supernatural journeys in the Bible.
- (#45) Adventists say her writings
areas inspired as the Bible. This straw man is answered already under
#23. The Documentation
Package's documentation for this point makes it clear that
Adventists believe the Bible is the final authority, not Ellen White.
- (#48) Adventists believed that the
door of mercy was shut on October 22. It's not hard to see why
they believed this for a short time.
- (#78) 300 words have been added to
Daniel 9 in The Clear Word. As the video admits, it's an
expanded paraphrase, and the interpretations utilized have been held
for centuries.
- (#79) Daniel 8:14 is a blatant
example of alteration of the biblical text. Paraphrases by their
very nature insert interpretations into the text.
- (#85) The Study Bible of
Seventh-day Adventists contains Ellen White quotes. So? Lots of Bibles contain footnotes and study helps.
- (#111) Prove that 20% of
Ellen White's writings are original. Such a challenge doesn't make
sense, for it would require infinite knowledge to prove that 20% of
her writings are original. It makes more sense to say, Prove
that 80% of her writings are not original.
-
(#125) [Not in all
editions of the video.] Ellen White used a feather bed
against her own advice. There is no evidence that she ever used a
feather bed in an unventilated, small room, which would have been
against Dr. E. P. Miller's advice, not her own. She
was strongly opposed to unventilated rooms.
-
(#192) Thus, Adventists differ from the plain
teaching of Scripture that Christ bore our sins on the cross. Straw man. A
Bible verse referring to the cross is used here to prove who the scapegoat can
and cannot be after the atonement is finished.
- (#217) Adventists believe that Christians must stand before God without Christ as their mediator.
Straw man. Every Bible-believing Christian who has studied the matter knows
that Christ's mediatorial work must cease just before He returns.
- (#218) This contradicts Hebrews 7:25. Straw man. Hebrews 7:25 is talking about
the present. It is not talking about eternity, when we will no longer need a
mediator.
- (#220) The Adventist view of salvation, placing sin upon Satan, is not the salvation taught in the
Bible. Straw man. Since this is not the Adventist view of salvation, the
point is totally irrelevant.
- (#227) "I was never presented with
[Ellen White's copying] in the [elementary] school system." Seems like 1st or 5th grade might be a bit early
to deal with Peter or Jude copying from each other. Though these are obviously not issues for
elementary school students to grapple with, I wouldn't be surprised if some 7th or 8th grades do touch on it.
- (#229) ". . . the [Adventist] Church was
inconsistent theologically and politically." Straw man. Jesus said it
would be this way.
- (#234) "Jesus saves us not by our deeds.
. . ." Straw man, since this is
precisely what Seventh-day Adventists believe.
Arguments That Essentially Attack the Bible and Its
Teachings
- (#32) Ellen White said she would
be alive and would be caught up in the air to meet Jesus. This
undermines faith in the Bible, for the apostle
Paul said the same thing.
- (#35) Ellen White would have been
stoned in Bible times for being a false prophet. Then so would the
biblical prophets Jonah and
Huldah. Some prophecies are conditional, as Jeremiah tells
us.
- (#49) Adventists believed that the
door of mercy was shut on October 22. Peter and the apostles
thought the door of mercy was closed to the Gentiles. Should we reject
them as being part of a cult?
- (#62) The idea that an angel is
recording everything we do, and that we will be judged by
such a record, is harsh. But that's what the Bible clearly teaches
in Matthew, Revelation, Daniel, and Ecclesiastes.
- (#69) The investigative judgment
doctrine teaches that believers will be lost if they have unconfessed
sins. The Bible says that we can only be forgiven if we confess
our sins. Is the video saying that the Bible is wrong?
- (#71) The investigative judgment
doctrine requires perfect obedience to the Ten Commandments. But
the New Testament plainly says that adulterers, fornicators, thieves,
and murderers cannot enter heaven.
- (#73) The investigative judgment
doctrine is diametrically opposed to the gospel of grace. The
points being objected to by the video are the very essence of the
gospel and of the New Covenant.
- (#89) Adventists taught doctrines
contrary to tradition. So has every other Protestant group. The
Bible, not tradition, is (supposed to be) the authority of
Protestants.
- (#93) Both Jehovah's Witnesses
and Seventh-day Adventists teach the heresy that Michael is Christ.
The Bible clearly teaches that there is an "angel" sent from
God who Himself is called God. If it isn't Christ, who is it? If it
isn't Christ, must we conclude that the Bible endorses polytheism,
that there is a mere angel who is God as well as the Father, Son, and
Spirit?
- (#101) Ellen White's
inspiration was borrowed from others without credit. This
argument directly undermines the authority of the Scriptures, for the
Bible writers did the same.
- (#149) Ellen White was wrong
when she said that believers must keep the law of God. Thus the
video declares wrong not only Ellen White, but also Paul, John,
Peter, Jude, James, and Jesus.
- (#150) We don't have to worry
about obeying the law, since we are under the New Covenant now, not
the Old Covenant. A popular antinomian argument, this doesn't really make sense in the light of the
only New
Testament passage describing the New Covenant.
- (#151) We don't have to worry
about obeying the law, since Christ is the end of the law. Since
James 5:11 talks about the "end of the Lord," we know that
sometimes "end" must mean something other than a cessation
of existence. Christ is "the end of the law" because the law
leads sinners to Christ for release from guilt (Gal. 3:24), not
because the Ten Commandments don't exist anymore.
- (#156) A pre-advent judgment of
works is incompatible with the gospel of grace. But this makes the
apostle Paul contradict Revelation 14:6, 7.
- (#179) The Adventist view
today about the mark of the beast is severe.
How can it be severe to believe that Christians
ought to obey the commandments of God? What does this say about what Jesus
said: "If ye love me, keep my commandments"?
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(#198) Adventists consider Ellen White's
comments on the Scriptures to be more authoritative than tradition. Of
course! We are Protestants, and for Protestants tradition is supposed to be
subordinated to the Holy Scriptures. An inspired prophet would be next in line
in authority to the Bible, and tradition would have to be less authoritative
than that.
- (#203) The
type of pressure Ellen White used is one of the marks of a cult.
Rather ludicrous. If such an idea be true, then the prophets of the
Bible were just as cultic as Ellen White.
- (#205) Withholding of acceptance and
fellowship for questioning doctrine is a characteristic of a cult. Questioning
is one thing. Attacking is another. Biblically, the church must deal with
members who practice grievous sins and teach false doctrines.
- (#228) ". . . all these writings she had
. . . plagiarized, . . . I felt . . . lied
to." Do you feel lied to
because between Matthew, Mark, and Luke, two copied from the other? Do you
feel lied to because John copied from others when he put together the book of
Revelation? Even though they copied, can you prove that Ellen White, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John,
Peter, and Jude are guilty of "plagiarism"?
- (#230) ". . . the [ Adventist] Church
was inconsistent theologically and politically." This argument is what
many use to excuse themselves from becoming Christians. The Bible characters
were woefully inconsistent too. Does that make them members of a cult?
Statements That Beg the Question: That Assume To Be
Fact What Needs to Be Proven
- (#44) Her visions are unbiblical.
This begs the question, for not one unbiblical aspect of her visions
has been shown.
- (#68) Seventh-day Adventism is not
a legitimate Christian denomination. This point plainly begs the
question, for it assumes what must be proven.
- (#74) Seventh-day Adventism is a man-made religion. This is another point
that begs the question, that assumes what needs to be proven.
- (#113) The Seventh-day
Adventist ministry is not a Christian ministry. This begs the
question, assuming what must be proved. Besides, Dan Snyder admits
under #232 that he was a Christian while being an Adventist
minister!
Contradictions: Arguments or Statements that
Demolish Other Arguments or Statements
- (#83) Seventh-day Adventists
have also published their Study Bible. If The Clear Word is
the Seventh-day Adventist version, why is the Study Bible a King
James Version instead of The Clear Word?
-
(#144) Adventists believe that Jesus made
the down payment for our salvation. Thus the speaker contradicts the
point he made under #141. If Jesus made the down
payment, then we don't have to work to put ourselves on the road to
salvation. It can't be both ways.
- (#153) Christians will keep
God's commandments out of love. Thus Mr. Martin destroys the
force of much of his whole argument thus far: We don't have to keep
God's law, but if we love God we will gladly keep His law. The simple
conclusion from his words is that if we don't keep God's law, it shows
that we don't really love God.
- (#155) Being under grace
leads to holiness. Mr. Martin contradicts himself again, for if we
don't have to obey the law, why would the grace of God lead to
holiness?
- (#167) A delegate reported that
"After the conference, November 20th, the vision was given, establishing those undecided on the sunset
time." The use of this
quotation is devastating to these criticisms, for it comes from a
pamphlet that demolishes every argument in this part of the video.
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(#194) An Adventist pastor supplied the following five marks of a cult.
But the letter these five marks came from says that the co-producers and
script writer of the video have been supplying false information about
Seventh-day Adventists for 14 years! The video's credibility is thus called
into question.
- (#222) These five marks of a cult are very important.
If Jeremiah Films really believes this, why don't they make a video
about a much larger church that clearly does fit these marks?
- (#231) "When expedient, they . . . contradicted Ellen
G. White. . . ." The truth is out! Adventists don't follow Ellen White after
all.
- (#232) "The last three years have been the most spiritually rewarding of my thirty-one years as a Christian."
This key witness thus declares that he was both a Christian and an Adventist
for 28 years, part of which time he was an Adventist minister as well. Despite all what the video says,
according to this speaker, Adventists are Christians, and
Adventist ministers are Christian ministers.
Arguments That Essentially Attack
Prominent Christian Leaders of Old
Some of the other arguments could have been put here as well, but I
only put those here which could not be put in another place.
- (#87) Adventists teach the
heresy that Michael is Christ. This charge makes Charles Spurgeon
and Matthew Henry heretics. And the 1599 Geneva Bible must have
been put out by heretics too.
- (#92) Both Jehovah's Witnesses
and Seventh-day Adventists teach the heresy of soul sleep. Guess
that makes Martin Luther, John Wycliffe, William Tyndale, and a host
of Baptists, Methodists, Anglicans, and Presbyterians all heretics.
Guess that even makes the apostle Peter himself a
heretic.
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#1: "The quotes of Ellen G. White which appear in this program are
taken from official Seventh-day Adventist publications. Page numbers are
in reference to standard hardback editions." (Text appearing
immediately before the program begins.)
All quotes of Ellen White are from official SDA publications. The
truth is that some of the "quotes of Ellen G. White" referred to
in the
video either 1) do not exist at all, 2) are by someone else, or 3) have been
altered.
As stated under #10 below, David Snyder states that
Mrs. White, in her own words, said that she was in "this hopeless
condition for months" after Christ did not come when expected. No
such quotation can be found. The Documentation Package offered at
the end of the video gives only a single reference from one of Ellen
White's books which the context clearly shows is talking about Almira
Pierce, not Ellen White.
As stated under #37 below, the quotation Sydney
Cleveland uses to show that Mrs. White predicted the downfall of the
United States has been rearranged. A sentence appearing six sentences
before the rest of the quote is put at the end of the quote, and the
intervening five sentences have been deleted. These five sentences
neutralize the point being made on the video by Mr. Cleveland.
As stated under #52 below, Dale Ratzlaff refers to a
quote from a preface in the July 21, 1851, issue of the Review. A
picture of this issue appears on the video. However, the
quotation is totally non-existent.
As stated under #118 below, many viewers are left
with the impression that Ellen White gave the list of diseases quoted.
However, the list quoted is not from Ellen White but is
actually a fusion of comments made by a Mrs. Gove and a Dr. Deslandes. Words
and quotation marks have been deleted without the use of an
ellipsis, and words have been added without the use of
brackets.
As stated under #119 below, many viewers are left
with the impression that Ellen White said that kids who practice secret
vice will get green skin. However, the quotation is from E. P. Miller,
M.D., not Ellen White.
As stated under #122 below, many viewers are left
with the impression that Ellen White said, "Sip no
more. . . ." However, these are the words of Professor
O. S. Fowler, not Ellen White.
As stated under #124 below, many viewers are left
with the impression that Ellen White said not to sleep on feather beds. However, the quotation is from E. P. Miller,
M.D., not Ellen White.
As stated under #142 below, the quotation given is
actually a fusion of two different quotes from two different
journals from two different continents written seven years apart. Enough
context is removed to leave the impression with the viewer that Ellen White was
condemning the doctrine of justification by faith, which she was not.
Quotations that have had critical context removed also occur under #15,
#120, #172, and #177.
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#2 & #3: "Based around the teachings and philosophies of its
nineteenth-century founder, prophetess Ellen G. White, Seventh-day
Adventism exhibits tremendous influence world-wide." (Narrator)
#2: Based around Ellen White's teachings. This is not correct.
Seventh-day Adventism is not based around the teachings and philosophies
of Ellen White. Generally, the doctrines found in her writings did not
originate with her and were held and taught by Seventh-day Adventists
before she wrote them out.
In materials prepared for the general public, we quote Scripture to
substantiate our beliefs, for they are based on Scripture. For
material prepared for use by our own members, since her books are held in
high esteem by most members, they as well as the Bible are often quoted
from, giving an appearance that the charge is true when it is not.
Much of what Seventh-day Adventists believe was hammered out in the
Sabbath Conferences of 1848. Ellen White, to her chagrin, could not
understand the topics under discussion. The only exception was when she
was in vision, which occurred when the brethren could not come to
agreement on their own about what the Bible said about a particular point.
She wrote:
During this whole time I could not understand the reasoning of the
brethren. My mind was locked, as it were, and I could not comprehend the
meaning of the scriptures we were studying. This was one of the greatest
sorrows of my life. I was in this condition of mind until all the
principal points of our faith were made clear to our minds, in harmony
with the Word of God. (Selected Messages, vol. 1, p. 207)
Since much of our beliefs were arrived at in meetings where Ellen White
couldn't understand what was being discussed, how then can it be said that
Seventh-day Adventism is based around her teachings and
philosophies?
So Seventh-day Adventism is based around the teachings and philosophies
of the Word of God, or at least that is our honest conviction, a
conviction supported by the incidents from our history just described.
The Documentation Package offered at the end of the video gives
no documentation for this point.
#3: Ellen White was the founder of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
It would appear that this video is intended to be primarily an attack
upon Ellen White, as well as upon the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It seems to lead
the viewer to believe that Ellen White was the sole or primary founder of
the church. This is simply not true.
Though a number of others played important parts in the forming of
Seventh-day Adventism, there are three who are considered the founders:
Joseph Bates, James White, and Ellen White. Sometimes Hiram Edson and
perhaps others are added to the list.
Narrowing down responsibility for an incident or teaching to a single
individual makes that incident or teaching less credible to the average
mind. Likewise, having many people say the same thing makes an incident,
teaching, or allegation seem more credible.
The Documentation Package offered at the end of the video gives
no documentation for this point.
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#4: "Her Methodist family came under the influence of William
Miller, a powerful preacher." (David Snyder)
Miller, a powerful preacher. In this oversimplification, the
whole Millerite Movement is reduced to a single individual described only
as a powerful preacher. Such an oversimplification made necessary the
factual error found under #6.
Miller was a licensed Baptist preacher, and but one of two hundred
ministers and five hundred lecturers in the U.S. and Canada. These seven
hundred ministers and lecturers, from many denominations, were all
teaching practically the same thing: that Jesus would return visibly and
literally before the millennium instead of after, and that the entire
world's conversion would never take place.
The video is intended to attack Seventh-day Adventists, not Baptists and
Congregationalists and Presbyterians. Neither Miller's denominational
affiliation nor the widespread nature of this massive ecumenical movement
is mentioned.
Miller was the recognized leader of the movement, at least the American
phase of the movement. He lived in Low Hampton, New York, not near Ellen
White's family in Maine.
Miller and his associates called for genuine commitment to the Lord
Jesus, resulting in a multitude of infidels being converted. Miller wrote
in July 1845:
In nearly a thousand places, Advent congregations have been raised
up, numbering as nearly as I can estimate, some fifty thousand
believers. On recalling to mind the several places of my labors, I can
reckon up about six thousand instances of conversion from nature's
darkness to God's marvelous light, the result of my personal labors
alone; and I should judge the number to be much greater. Of this number
I can recall to mind about seven hundred, who were, previously to their
attending my lectures, infidels; and their number may have been twice as
great. Happy results have also followed from the labors of my brethren,
many of whom I would like to mention here, if my limits would permit. (Memoirs
of William Miller 327, 328)
Miller gave a course of lectures in Portland, Maine, where Ellen
White's family resided, in March 1840. Elder L. D. Fleming, pastor of the
Christian Church in Portland, had invited him. Elder Fleming described the
effects of Miller's lectures in April, one month later:
At some of our meetings since Br. Miller left, as many as 250, it has
been estimated, have expressed a desire for religion, by coming forward
for prayers; and probably between one and two hundred have
professed conversion at our meeting; and now the fire is being kindled
through this whole city, and all the adjacent country. A number of
rum-sellers have turned their shops into meeting-rooms, and those places
that were once devoted to intemperance and revelry, are now devoted to
prayer and praise. Others have abandoned the traffic entirely, and are
become converted to God. One or two gambling establishments, I am
informed, are entirely broken up. Infidels, Deists, Universalists,
and the most abandoned profligates, have been converted; some who
had not been to the house of worship for years. Prayer-meetings have
been established in every part of the city by the different
denominations, or by individuals, and at almost every hour. Being down
in the business part of our city, I was conducted into a room over one
of the banks, where I found about thirty or forty men, of different
denominations, engaged with one accord in prayer, at about eleven
o'clock in the day-time! In short, it would be almost impossible to give
an adequate idea of the interest now felt in this city. There is nothing
like extravagant excitement, but an almost universal solemnity on the
minds of all the people. One of the principal booksellers informed me
that he had sold more Bibles in one month, since Br. Miller came
here, than he had in any four months previous. A member of an orthodox
church informed me that if Mr. Miller could now return, he could
probably be admitted into any of the orthodox houses of worship, and he
expressed a strong desire for his return to our city. (Ibid. 17,
18)
The movement elsewhere in the world was largely unconnected to Miller,
but was much the same in its general characteristics.
In Sweden it was against the law to preach that Christ was coming soon.
Yet prophecy foretold that a message announcing the soon-coming judgment
had to be given before the return of Christ (Rev. 14:6, 7, 13-16). The
Holy Spirit therefore came upon children who would then preach, and could
not be made to refrain from preaching. Their sermons called upon the
people to forsake card playing, drunkenness, dancing, and frivolity. It
was sobering to those who heard.
The reports of the times give the ages of the large number of children
involved as being six, eight, ten, twelve, sixteen, and eighteen.
A brief account of the Swedish child preachers can be found in Great
Controversy pp. 366, 367. For a fuller account, complete with
references to Swedish sources, most of which were written by opposers to
the phenomena, see Leroy Froom's Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers,
vol. 3, pp. 670-686.
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#5 & #6: "He taught that Christ would return first in 1843, and
then on October 22, 1844, supposedly the Jewish Day of Atonement for that
year." (Ibid.)
#5: Miller taught Christ would return in 1843. This is an
oversimplification. As alluded to in #4, the major thrust
of Miller's preaching, and that which aroused so much opposition, was not
the fact that Miller preached that the judgment would begin and Christ
would come about the year 1843, but that he taught that Christ would come
soon.
It sounds strange today, but at the time the churches in general taught
that Christ would not come soon, and that He would not return until after
a thousand years of peace on earth, during which thousand years the whole
world would become converted. They taught that prophecies about the second
coming and the resurrection would not be literally fulfilled. These
doctrines were popularized by Daniel Whitby, an Englishman who died in
1726.
Miller and his associates taught most definitely that the whole world
would not become converted, and that Christ would come personally and
visibly before, not after, the thousand years. The date of 1843 only
brought to a head these major points of theological difference.
Most churches, it seems, now believe what Miller taught about the
second coming of Christ. They can thank William Miller, in part, for this
correction in their theology.
The Documentation Package, offered at the end of the
video, lists in its index as "Point 4" Miller's teaching that
Christ would come in 1843. However, when one turns to "Point 4,"
no evidence is given to substantiate that Miller ever taught this.
It is true, though, that Miller, as of December 1842, taught that
Christ would come in 1843, more
than eleven years after he gave his first sermon on the soon return of
Christ. Previous to December 1842, Miller had consistently said Christ
would come "about the year 1843" "if there
were no mistake in my calculation" (Memoirs of William Miller
329).
Being censured by some of his associates in 1842 for constantly
including the "about" and the "if," and
not finding any error in his calculations, and being falsely accused by
the public press of having set the date of April 23 for Christ's return,
Miller decided to remove the "about" and the "if"
in December 1842. From then until March 21, 1844, he taught Christ would
come in the Jewish year of 1843 (Ibid.).
#6: Miller taught Christ would return October 22, 1844. This is
not true.
Miller and Joshua V. Himes were preaching in the west the summer of
1844. When they returned east they found everyone afire with the idea that
Christ would come on October 22, the tenth day of the seventh Jewish
month. This fast-spreading message, initiated by Samuel S. Snow around
mid-July 1844, became known as the "seventh-month movement."
Miller, as well as the other principal Millerite leaders, resisted for
awhile the idea of predicting the return of Christ on a particular day,
something they had always shunned. Miller's opposition can still be seen
in his letter dated September 30, 1844, written soon after his arrival
back home from his extended preaching tour.
Unable to explain what was so evidently to him the work of the Holy
Spirit reforming and converting people's lives, Miller for the first time
began to capitulate on October 6. In a letter written on that date,
published in the October 12, 1844, issue of Midnight Cry, Miller
said he would be disappointed if Christ did not return "within twenty
or twenty-five days," which means he was looking toward October 26 or
31 as being the limit, not October 22.
The data from the letter is this, in the order that it appears: ". . . Christ will come in the seventh month. . . ." "If he does
not come within 20 or 25 days, I shall feel twice the disappointment I did
this spring." ". . . it must and will come this
fall." ". . . I see no reason why we may not expect him within
twenty days." ". . . just so true will redemption be completed
by the fifteenth day of the seventh month. . . ." "I am strong
in my opinion that the next [Oct. 13] will be the last Lord's day sinners
will ever have in probation; and within ten or fifteen days from thence,
they will see Him. . . ."
As can be clearly seen, Miller had fixed on no specific day in October
1844 for the Lord to come. He was convicted that Christ would come that
month, but not necessarily on the 22nd. His words most often suggest that
Christ would come by the 26th, but they also suggest that Christ would
return by the 23rd, by the 27th, by the 28th, and by the 31st, all in the
same letter. Not once does he pinpoint the 22nd, even though he twice
refers to the typical Day of Atonement being on the tenth day of the
seventh month in Old Testament times.
If Miller was ever going to teach "that Christ would
return . . . on October 22, 1844," he was definitely running
out of opportunities that October 6th.
Miller's first letter to Himes after October 22 is dated "November
10th," and expresses his disappointment. This date, November 10, was
the date of the astronomical new moon, which in Miller's mind would have
marked the end of the Jewish seventh month according to the Karaite lunar
calendar.
The fact that Miller waited until the new moon before expressing his
disappointment is further confirmation that he felt Christ would come in
the seventh Jewish month, but not necessarily on the tenth day of that
seventh Jewish month.
In a letter to J. O. Orr of Toronto, Canada West, on December 13, 1844,
Miller wrote:
The ninth day [of the seventh month, or October 21] was very remarkable. We held a meeting all day and our
place of worship was crowded to overflowing with anxious souls apparently.
In the evening I told some of my [brethren] Christ would not come on the
morrow [October 22]. Why not? said they. Because he cannot come in an hour they think not, nor
as a snare.
Clearly, even on October 21, Miller had not yet accepted the date of
October 22, much less taught it.
By leaving the impression that the date of October 22 is based on
Miller, the video can more easily attack Millerite Adventists, since views proposed
by single individuals appear to have less credibility.
The Documentation Package, offered at the end of the
video, lists in its index as "Point 4" Miller's teaching that
Christ would come on October 22, 1844. However, when one turns to
"Point 4," no evidence is given to substantiate the claim that
Miller ever taught this.
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#7: "...October 22, 1844, supposedly the Jewish Day of Atonement
for that year. However, using information from the Universal Jewish
Encyclopedia we find that in 1844, the Day of Atonement began after
sundown, September 23rd, not October 22nd. So this crucial date in
Adventism was flawed, incorrect, from the very beginning." (Ibid.)
October 22 was not Jewish Day of Atonement. Samuel S. Snow never
identified October 22 as being the "Jewish" Day of Atonement per
se. He knew better, as did other Millerites. And neither was September 23
the "Jewish" Day of Atonement. But in all truth it can be said
that October 22 was the true "biblical" Day of Atonement. The
explanation for these puzzling statements follows.
There are many different sects of Judaism, and one prominent sect, the
Karaites or Caraites, regularly differed from Rabbinical Judaism in how
they would begin the year. This meant that the Karaite Jews usually kept
the Jewish feasts a month later than the Rabbinical Jews. Thus usually
there was more than one "Jewish" Day of Atonement per year. When
this happened, no one date could be called the "Jewish" Day of
Atonement.
The Rabbinical Jews accepted oral traditions in addition to the Word of
God, but the Karaite Jews rejected all such traditions and relied only on
the Bible. They were therefore a fundamentalist movement within Judaism.
A modern-day Karaite Jewish leader in Israel, Nehemiah Gordon, informs
us that in 1999, the biblical Day of Atonement was on October 20, not in
September like most other Jews thought.
The Jewish calendar is a lunar calendar. Its months are but 29 or 30
days each. That's about 354 days to a year. To keep the calendar synchronized
with the seasons, a thirteenth month is added about seven
times every nineteen years.
When and under what circumstances should the thirteenth month be added?
The Rabbinical method uses merely mathematical calculations. The Karaite
method uses observation of the barley crop in Palestine. Biblically
speaking, the Karaites are correct.
The day after the sabbath after the Passover, a sheaf of barley grain
was to be waved before the Lord (Lev. 23:10-15). If the barley wasn't ripe
enough, this could not be done. This is why the Karaites would often have
their year start one month later than other Jews, so that the barley would
be ripe enough. (Even the name of the
first Jewish month, Abib, refers to the barley being in a certain
stage of growth.)
Some critics of Seventh-day Adventism cite Nehemiah Gordon to show that Karaites in
1844 in Palestine had long before adopted Rabbinical reckoning. However,
the point is not what the Karaites were doing in 1844, but what the Bible
says they should have been doing. If the barley was not ripe enough, then
biblically the year could not begin, regardless of what any Karaite or
Rabbi said.
In actuality, Nehemiah Gordon provides evidence indicating that the
Karaites utilized Rabbinical reckoning "for some time" before
1860, but it does not prove what they were doing in 1844. This can readily
be seen by turning to "Point 5" in the Documentation Package
offered at the end of the video, where some of Nehemiah Gordon's comments
can be found. (Large portions of this selected document in the Documentation
Package were deleted, so the reader cannot tell that Nehemiah Gordon
was the one writing the comments. The full document clearly shows that he
is the writer, though.)
The April 1840 issue of American Biblical Repository contained a
letter written in 1836 by E. S. Calman, a missionary in Palestine who was
a converted Jew. He states that the Karaite Jews were generally keeping
the feasts a month later than the Rabbinical Jews in his day:
But, at present, the Jews in the Holy Land have not the least regard
to this season appointed and identified by Jehovah, but follow the rules
prescribed in the oral law, namely, by adding a month to every second or
third year, and thus making the lunar year correspond with the solar.
And when the 15th day of Nisan (nisan), according to this
computation, arrives, they begin to celebrate the above-mentioned feast,
although the chedesh haabib may have passed, or not yet come. In
general the proper season occurs after they have celebrated it a whole
month, which is just reversing the command in the law, which directs
that the chedesh haabib precede the festival, and not the
festival the chedesh haabib. Nothing like ears of green corn have
I seen around Jerusalem at the celebration of this feast. The Caraite
Jews observe it later than the Rabbinical, for they are guided by Abib, abib,
and they charge the latter with eating leavened bread during that feast.
I think, myself, that the charge is well founded. If this feast of
unleavened bread is not celebrated in its season, every successive
festival is dislocated from its appropriate period, since the month
Abib, abib, is laid down in the law of God as the epoch from
which every other is to follow. (pp. 411, 412) (Hebrew transliterated)
According to this letter, Karaite Jews in Palestine were keeping the
annual feasts generally one month later than the Rabbinical Jews in 1836.
The conclusion of the critics that the Karaites had given up their special
form of reckoning long before the nineteenth century is therefore
unfounded. More importantly, the letter affirms the fact that the Rabbinical Jews
were not calculating the times of their feasts to harmonize with the
Bible's requirements.
An additional inadequacy in the Documentation Package is that it
does not even attempt to substantiate the correctness of the Rabbinical
date of September 23rd for the Day of Atonement in 1844. Instead, it
quotes Nehemiah Gordon as saying, "While late September may or may
not have been the correct month in which to celebrate Yom
Kippur. . . ."
This gives away the whole point the video was trying to make. If late
September "may not have been" "the correct month" for
the Day of Atonement, then late October may have been "the correct
month" after all.
S. S. Snow popularized the October 22 date the summer of 1844, but he
didn't come up with the idea of using Karaite reckoning. Karaite reckoning
was the acceptable thing for a year or more prior to this.
Miller's associates, though not himself, decided that the Jewish year
1843 began on April 29 and ended on April 17, 1844. In doing so, they used
the Karaite form of reckoning, as stated in the June 21, 1843, issue of The
Signs of the Times, p. 123.
Now there is a dispute between the Rabbinical, and the Caraite Jews,
as to the correct time of commencing the year. The former are scattered
all over the world, and cannot observe the time of the ripening of that
harvest in Judea. They therefore regulate the commencement of the year
by astronomical calculations, and commence with the first day of the new
moon nearest the vernal equinox, when the sun is in Aries. The Caraite Jews on the contrary, still adhere to the letter of the Mosaic law, and
commence with the new moon nearest the barley harvest in Judea; and
which is one moon later than the Rabbinical year. The Jewish year of
A.D. 1843, as the Caraites reckon it in accordance with the Mosaic law,
therefore commenced this year with the new moon on the 29th day of
April, and the Jewish year 1844, will commence with the new moon in next
April, when 1843 and the 2300 days, according to their computation, will
expire. But according to the Rabbinical Jews, it began with the new moon
the first of last April, and will expire with the new moon in the month
of March next.
Six Jewish months and ten days after the new moon of April 1844 takes
us to October 22. So, biblically speaking, the date of October 22 was
correct.
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#8: "William Miller's meetings were marked by much emotionalism
and a great deal of hysteria over Christ's imminent return." (Ibid.)
His meetings were marked by emotionalism and hysteria. This is
not true. The fact is that Miller and his associates sought to suppress
all such manifestations.
In an ecumenical movement like the Millerite Movement, many people of
many beliefs and worship styles come together. There were those in the
movement who would have felt comfortable in the more emotional services of
some modern Pentecostal and charismatic churches, but Miller and his
associates consistently sought to repress such things and called them
fanaticism.
The eyewitness account of Pastor L. D. Fleming of Portland, Maine, has
already been cited where he said, "There is nothing like extravagant
excitement, but an almost universal solemnity on the minds of all the
people." Let us also read the account of Portsmouth, New Hampshire,
Unitarian minister A. P. Peabody:
If I am rightly informed, the present season of religious excitement
has been to a great degree free from what, I confess, has always made me
dread such times, I mean those excesses and extravagances, which wound
religion in the house of its friends, and cause its enemies to
blaspheme. I most cheerfully express my opinion, that there will be in
the fruits of the present excitement far less to regret, and much more
for the friends of God to rejoice in, much more to be recorded in the
book of eternal life, than in any similar series of religious exercises,
which I have ever had the opportunity of watching. "Sermon on
Revivals")
Joshua V. Himes, Miller's closest associate and ardent publicist,
testified in 1853:
As the public learn to discriminate between the actual position of
Mr. Miller and that which prejudice has conceived that he occupied, his
conservativeness and disapprobation of every fanatical practice will be
admitted, and a much more just estimate will be had of him. (Memoirs
of William Miller iv)
Miller himself wrote on January 1st, 1843:
I beseech you, my dear brethren, be careful that Satan get no
advantage over you by scattering coals of wild-fire among you; for, if
he cannot drive you into unbelief and doubt, he will try his wild-fire
of fanaticism and speculation to get us from the word of God. (Ibid. 173)
Himes makes some comments regarding a lecturing tour in September and
October 1843. He writes:
During this tour, Mr. Miller was much pained by witnessing a tendency
to fanaticism on the part of some who held to his views. As he had no
sympathy for anything of the kind, and has been unjustly identified with
it in the minds of the public, it becomes necessary to show its origin,
that its responsibility may rest where it rightly belongs. (Ibid. 229)
Himes then proceeds to describe the origin of these things. A Mr. John
Starkweather, an Orthodox Congregationalist, was called to be an assistant
pastor at Himes's church, since Himes was often on the road with Miller.
According to Himes, Starkweather "taught that conversion, however
full and thorough, did not fit one for God's favor without a second work;
and that this second work was usually indicated by some bodily
sensation" (Ibid. 232).
Starkweather came in October 1842. Near the end of April 1843, things
were such that Himes felt the matter had to be addressed. Himes addressed
the congregation about the dangers of fanaticism, to which address
Starkweather gave a vehement reply. So Himes gave another address.
This so shocked the sensibilities of those who regarded them as the
"great power of God," that they cried out and stopped their
ears. Some jumped upon their feet, and some ran out of the house.
"You will drive out the Holy Ghost!" cried one. "You are
throwing on cold water!" said another.
"Throwing on cold water!" said Mr. Himes; "I would throw
on the Atlantic Ocean before I would be identified with such
abominations as these, or suffer them in this place unrebuked."
Starkweather immediately announced that "the saints" would
thenceforth meet at another place than the Chardonstreet Chapel; and,
retiring, his followers withdrew with him.
From this time he was the leader of a party, held separate meetings,
and, by extending his visits to other places, he gained a number of
adherents. He was not countenanced by the friends of Mr. Miller; but the
public identified him and his movement with Mr. Miller and his.
This was most unjust to Mr. Miller; but to this day the Romanists
identify, in the same manner the fanaticism consequent on the
Reformation, with Luther and those who repudiated the doings of Munzer,
Storch and others.
While Starkweather was thus repudiated, he persisted in forcing
himself, wherever he could, upon the public, as a religious teacher and
lecturer on the Advent.
On the 9th of August, 1843, a camp-meeting commenced at Plainfield,
Ct., at which Starkweather was, and some manifestations were exhibited
which were entirely new to those present, and for which they could not
account. Another meeting was held at Stepney, near Bridgeport, on the
28th of the same month, where the developments were more marked. A few
young men, professing to have the gift of discerning spirits, were
hurried into great extravagances.
Elder J. Litch [another very prominent Millerite leader] published a
protest against such exhibitions, in which he said:
"A more disgraceful scene, under the garb of piety, I have
rarely witnessed. For the last ten years I have come in contact nearly
every year, more or less, with the same spirit, and have marked its
developments, its beginning, and its result; and am now prepared to say
that it is evil, and only evil, and that continually. I have uniformly
opposed it wherever it has made its appearance, and as uniformly have
been denounced as being opposed to the power of God, and as resisting
the operations of the Spirit. The origin of it, is the idea that the
individuals thus exercised are entirely under the influence of the
Spirit of God, are his children, and that he will not deceive them and
lead them astray; hence every impulse which comes upon them is yielded
to as coming from God, and, following it, there is no length of
fanaticism to which they will not go." - Midnight Cry, Sept. 14,
1843.
This fanaticism was the result of Starkweather's teaching that
"gifts" were to be restored to the church. Even he seemed at
first amazed at the results. (Ibid. 233, 234)
One last comment from Himes:
Not only Mr. Miller, but all who were in his confidence, took a
decided position against all fanatical extravagances. They never gave
them any quarter; while those who regarded them with favor soon arrayed
themselves against Mr. Miller and his adherents. Their fanaticism
increased; and though opposed by Mr. Miller and his friends, the
religious and secular press very generally, but unjustly, connected his
name with it; - he being no more responsible for it than Luther and
Wesley were for similar manifestations in their day. (Ibid. 239)
After calling vocal utterances during meetings fanaticism (the one example given is
"Bless God"), Miller wrote, "I have often obtained more
evidence of inward piety from a kindling eye, a wet cheek,
and a choked utterance, than from all the noise in
Christendom" (Ibid. 282).
Regarding the seventh-month movement in particular, when beginning with
the summer of 1844, most Millerites expected Christ to return on October
22, Miller testified:
There is something in this present waking up different from anything
I have ever before seen. There is no great expression of joy: that is,
as it were, suppressed for a future occasion, when all heaven and earth
will rejoice together with joy unspeakable and full of glory. There is
no shouting; that, too, is reserved for the shout from heaven. The
singers are silent: they are waiting to join the angelic hosts, the
choir from heaven. (Ibid. 270, 271)
The Documentation Package, offered at the end of the video,
gives no documentation for this point whatsoever.
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#9: The picture used to illustrate #8.
Picture of one of Miller's meetings before 1844. This picture is
not of one of Miller's meetings at all. It was drawn to illustrate a
critic's description of a meeting occurring after 1844, yet the video uses
it to illustrate a pre-October 22 meeting.
Ellen White is shown having a vision, in the way the critic described,
but she had no visions before October 22, 1844. Her first vision came in
December 1844.
James White is shown behind her. While he remembered meeting her prior
to October 22, she recounted meeting him for the first time a bit
later. Not until 1845 did they labor together. He could not have
stood behind her in this manner, therefore, until the following year.
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#10 & #11: "Ellen Harmon was a willing participant, though
when Christ did not return when Miller predicted, she dissolved into tears
and prayers and remained, as she said, in this hopeless condition for
months." (Ibid.)
#10: She said she was in a hopeless condition for months. There
is no such statement anywhere in her writings.
The Documentation Package, offered at the end of the video,
lists this as "Point 6." "Point 6" mistakenly provides
page 293 of Life Sketches 1880 edition: "My wife has for many
years been subject to occasional, and sometimes protracted, seasons of the
most hopeless despair." This same wording is found in the 1888
edition, as well as page 169 of the second volume of Spiritual Gifts.
The immediate context clearly shows that this was written by Stephen
Pierce about his wife, Almira Pierce. It isn't about Ellen White at all!
Page 190 of Life Sketches clearly says: "We were
disappointed but not disheartened."
"Point 6" also quotes from Spectrum magazine, a
theologically liberal journal that does not support the idea of the
infallibility of the Bible and does support the theory of evolution. The
quotation from Spectrum speculates that when Ellen White later
wrote about others, she was in fact writing about herself. By no stretch
of the imagination can this be used as proof that she ever said she was
"in this hopeless condition for months."
#11: Ellen White felt in a hopeless condition for months because
Christ did not return on October 22. This is not true.
Like most young people, she was depressed at times. For instance, she
felt in despair for a period of months around 1840, when she was but
twelve years old (Selected Messages 3:324, 325). This was just prior to
her conversion. However, it should be pointed out that this is how many
have felt just prior to their own conversion, as they realize the depth of
their sin and their need of a Savior.
In 1842 she was convicted that the Lord wanted her to pray publicly,
but she didn't want to, and stopped praying altogether. This resulted in a
state of melancholy and despair that lasted three weeks or a little
longer, until she followed through with what she believed was her duty. (Spiritual
Gifts 2:15-20).
After her second vision, soon after the first one of December 1844, she
was troubled. With her frail health and being so young, she shrank from
the duty of traveling to share what God had revealed, which duty had been
expressed to her in that vision. She dreaded the scoffs, sneers, and
opposition she would surely meet. She wrote:
I really coveted death as a release from the responsibilities that
were crowding upon me. At length the sweet peace I had so long enjoyed
left me, and my soul was plunged in despair. (Life Sketches 195,
1880 ed. See also Testimonies for the Church 1:63)
These words indicate that she had no episodes of despair between the
previous incident in 1842 and her second vision a few months after October
22, 1844. So Ellen White was not "in a hopeless condition" for
months after October 22, and had no depression after Christ did not return
when expected.
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#12 & #13: "Ellen White just could not accept the fact that
Christ did not return in 1843 or 1844. She could not admit her mistake.
Interestingly enough, William Miller did." (Ibid.)
#12: Ellen White didn't admit her mistake. This is not true.
Both Ellen White and William Miller freely admitted that they were
mistaken in thinking that Christ would return in 1843 or 1844. Yet they
explained their mistake quite differently.
Ellen White first admitted what she thought was a mistake, and then she
admitted a different mistake.
In 1847 her husband wrote, "When she received her first vision,
December, 1844, she and all the band [the group of Advent believers] in
Portland, Maine (where her parents then resided) had given up the midnight
cry, and shut door, as being in the past." Ellen White wrote the same
year, "At the time I had the vision of the midnight cry [December,
1844], I had given it up in the past and thought it future, as also most
of the band had" (Ellen G. White: The Early Years 61).
What the above two statements mean is this: During the seventh-month
movement, the prophecies of Daniel 8 and 9 were connected to a number of
other Scriptures, particularly the parable of the ten virgins of Matthew
25.
And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
(Mat. 25:6-12)
At the conclusion of the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14, it was expected
that the bridegroom would come, the wedding between Christ and his people
would begin, and the door would be shut, whatever that means. The term
"midnight cry" used in the quotations from The Early Years is taken from the parable, for a
cry goes out at midnight: "The Bridegroom cometh. Go ye out to meet
Him."
By Ellen White initially giving up the idea that the midnight cry and
the shut door were past, she was giving up the idea that the 2300 days had
really ended on October 22, 1844, an easy enough conclusion for she and
many other Millerites to reach.
After her first vision, she realized that she had made a mistake in
calling the October 22 date a mistake. The real mistake she and the 50,000
other Millerites had made was in thinking that the beginning of the
judgment and the ending of the 2300 days was synonymous with the second
coming of Christ.
Daniel 8:14 had declared that the 2300 days would end with the
cleansing of the "sanctuary." The popular belief among both
Millerites and non-Millerites was that this
"sanctuary" was the earth or some part of it. The
Millerites felt that the predicted cleansing of the sanctuary was Christ's
cleansing of the earth by fire at His second coming.
The Millerites were mistaken that this was the predicted event of the
prophecy, and this mistake Ellen White was always willing to freely admit:
As the disciples were mistaken in regard to the kingdom to be set up
at the end of the seventy weeks, so Adventists were mistaken in regard
to the event to take place at the expiration of the 2300 days. In both
cases there was an acceptance of, or rather an adherence to, popular
errors that blinded the mind to the truth. (Great Controversy
353)
Christ's disciples thought He would set up the kingdom of glory at His
first coming, in which kingdom the Jews would rule the world and the
Romans. Shall we reject their teachings, since they had mistaken views
about prophecy, even as late as at the time of Christ's ascension (Acts
1:6)?
There are a number of mistakes in this video. Will those responsible
for these mistakes freely admit them to the Christian community?
The Documentation Package, offered at the end of the video,
offers no documentation for this point whatsoever.
#13: Miller admitted his mistake. This is an oversimplification.
To explain what Miller really admitted to would make the inclusion of this
point in the video appear silly.
In a statement dated August 1, 1845, Miller specified what mistake
he was admitting to:
But while I frankly acknowledge my disappointment in the exact time,
I wish to inquire whether my teachings have been thereby materially
affected. My view of exact time depended entirely upon the accuracy of
chronology; of this I had no absolute demonstration; but as no evidence
was presented to invalidate it, I deemed it my duty to rely on it as
certain, until it should be disproved. Besides, I not only rested on
received chronology, but I selected the earliest dates in the circle of
a few years on which chronologers have relied for the date of the events
from which to reckon, because I believed them to be best sustained, and
because I wished to have my eye on the earliest time at which the Lord
might be expected. Other chronologers had assigned later dates for the
events from which I reckoned; and if they are correct we are only
brought into the circle of a few years, during which we may rationally
look for the Lord's appearing. As the prophetic periods, counting from
the dates from which I have reckoned, have not brought us to the end,
and as I cannot tell the exact time that chronology may vary from my
calculations, I can only live in continual expectation of the event. I
am persuaded that I cannot be far out of the way, and I believe that God
will still justify my preaching to the world.
Thus the mistake that he admitted to was not the way he had interpreted
and calculated the time prophecies of Scripture, but the dates of the
human chronologers he had used to begin those time prophecies with.
The book shown in the video to illustrate the point that William Miller
admitted his mistake is that of Sketches of the Christian Life and
Public Labors of William Miller, written by James White and published
in 1875.
The Documentation Package, offered at the end of the video,
lists this point as "Point 7." Under "Point 7" is
given a page of a research paper which is dealing with the Albany
Conference of April 1845. The page allegedly describes what was voted at
that Conference, but says nothing about whether Miller was in harmony with
the vote or not. It also says nothing about what mistakes Miller allegedly
admitted to making.
If one compares what was actually voted at the Albany Conference with
the page of the research paper found in the Documentation Package,
one will find that they do not agree. Hence I used the word
"allegedly" in the previous paragraph. The person compiling
the Documentation Package must not have verified the accuracy of
the page from the research paper.
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#14 & #15: "Instead she claimed she had a vision from God, the first of
many. 'I have seen that the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the
Lord, and that it should not be altered; that the figures were as He
wanted them, that His hand was over, and hid a mistake in some of the
figures...' Early Writings p. 74." (Ibid.)
#14: This was her first vision. This is not true. The statement
quoted from Early Writings is from a vision that occurred on
September 23, 1850. However, Ellen White's first vision occurred in
December 1844.
The Documentation Package, offered at the end of the video,
gives no documentation for this point whatsoever.
#15: God hid the mistake. The context has been removed to
apparently leave the impression that this is what Ellen White meant.
However, the last clause of the sentence that was omitted says: ". . . so that none could see it, until His hand was removed."
This shows that rather than God hiding the mistake, He was instead not
bringing the mistake to the notice of the people. There is a difference.
This is elaborated upon under the next section.
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#16: "Rather than admit she was in error, Ellen Harmon claimed that
God was the one who had made the mistake, and had covered it up
Himself." (Narrator)
Ellen White said God made the mistake. This is not true. She
never said that God made a mistake at that time or at any other time. God
makes no mistakes.
Early Writings 74 is used on the video to substantiate this
strange claim:
I have seen that the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord,
and that it should not be altered; that the figures were as He wanted
them; that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures,
so that none could see it, until His hand was removed.
Have you ever made a mistake? Why didn't you see it was a mistake
earlier? Why didn't God show it to you earlier? Because God didn't show
you your mistake earlier, does that mean God made the mistake?
What Ellen White is talking about here is not about October 22 at all.
Miller and his many associates began the 2300 days in 457 BC. Subtracting
457 from 2300 gives 1843. Thus they thought that the 2300 days would end
in the Jewish year 1843, which they felt began in the spring of 1843 and
ended in the spring of 1844. But there is a major mistake here in our
math.
There is no 0 BC or 0 AD, unlike a conventional number line. Hence the
spring of 457 to the spring of 1843 is only 2299 years, not 2300. This no
one realized until after the Jewish year of 1843 had already passed.
Of course, God knew that their math was off, and He permitted them to
understand this after the fact.
No mistake about the validity of the October 22 date is even suggested
in the quoted statement.
But Ellen White's words indicate that there was some sort of divine
purpose in the mistake about there being no 0 year. Perhaps the experience
of the disciples can illuminate our understanding.
The disciples of Christ were tested severely at two different times,
both relating to mistaken views about prophecy. John 6:66 says that many of
Christ's disciples just up and left Him when He cryptically told them that
His kingdom was a spiritual kingdom, not a kingdom in which they would
rule the Romans. This was the first test, and it was hard. The second one
came at the crucifixion, when all the hopes and dreams of the disciples
for an earthly kingdom of power were dashed to pieces.
If the first and only test had been at the crucifixion, and if it had
been then when the majority of Christ's followers forsook Him, the test
would have been much more overwhelming for the disciples. Having the
previous test strengthened the disciples for the later test.
Did God make the mistake about prophecy found in John 6? No, but He
permitted it for a reason.
Likewise the Millerites were tested twice. The former test strengthened
them for the latter test. God did not make the mistake (and Ellen White
never said He did), but He permitted it for a reason.
The Documentation Package, offered at the end of the video,
gives no evidence that Ellen White ever said that God made any mistake. It
merely repeats the quote from page 74 of Early Writings, and shows
a picture of the 1843 chart Ellen White was referring to in that quote.
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#17 & #18: "Ellen's controversial vision forced the readjustment
of many Adventist dates and doctrines." (Ibid.)
#17: Ellen White's vision was controversial. Neither her first
vision nor her vision of September 23rd, 1850, should have been considered
controversial at the time. Both should have appeared either reasonable or
middle-of-the-road to their targeted audiences.
After October 22, 1844, there were two major and opposite divisions of
thought: 1) The 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 had not ended yet and Christ's
literal and visible coming was yet future. 2) The 2300 days had ended and
Christ had already returned in a spiritual way.
In contrast, Ellen White's first vision taught that the 2300 days had
ended, but Christ's return was yet future and would be literal and visible
as the Bible says. Thus it promoted a middle-of-the-road position between
the two major camps.
50,000 Millerites had felt moved by the Spirit of God during the
seventh-month movement. The vision taught that that movement was indeed of
God. Thus this point too should have been considered non-controversial.
The 1850 vision the video quoted from taught that:
- It was proper to
print a periodical to proclaim the truth.
- The word
"sacrifice" in Daniel 8:12 was not in the original, but had been
added by the translators (which is a fact that is readily apparent).
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"Time . . . will never again be a test." In other
words, there should be no more setting of dates for Christ's return.
- It
was wrong to spend lots of money to send people over to Jerusalem,
thinking that somehow this would help fulfill prophecy. (Advent Review
11/1/1850; Early Writings 74-76)
What was so controversial about this vision? Some who wanted to go to
Jerusalem probably didn't like what Ellen White was shown, but even point
4 harmonized with what the 50,000 Millerites had believed and taught.
The Millerites did not believe that the Bible foretold a restoration of
literal Israel. They felt that Israel today is composed of all believers,
as the apostle Paul indicates:
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(Rom. 2:28, 29)
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. . . .
And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Gal. 3:7, 29)
This
teaching may be controversial today, but it wasn't controversial in 1844.
Some who were into setting dates might have thought that point three of
the 1850 vision was controversial, but she had already been pushing this
idea for five years by that time (see Testimonies for the Church 1:72,
73).
No documentation whatsoever is given for this point in the Documentation
Package.
#18: Readjustment of many dates and doctrines. No dates were
readjusted by either vision. The first vision didn't really introduce any
new doctrines. The 1850 vision called for a moratorium on date setting,
but that wouldn't constitute a readjustment of many doctrines,
especially since she had already been calling for such a moratorium for
five years.
Going to Jerusalem not being a fulfillment of prophecy was already a
standard Millerite doctrine, so this doctrine was not readjusted either.
No documentation whatsoever is given for this point in the Documentation
Package offered at the end of the video.
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#19 & #20: "Even though the 1843 date had now been
adjusted to 1844, it was still an error." (Ibid.)
#19: 1843 date adjusted to 1844. Neither Ellen White's first
vision of December 1844 nor her 1850 vision had anything to do with the
change of date from 1843 to 1844. The simple proof of this is the fact
that the date was already adjusted before she had either of these visions.
Once again, here is the history: Samuel S. Snow, as described before,
provided the biblical evidence and chronological evidence to show that the
2300 days of Daniel 8:14 ended on October 22, 1844. He provided this
evidence in a powerful way in the Boston Tabernacle on July 21, 1844. Then
in August he presented his material at a camp meeting in Exeter, New
Hampshire. After that the idea spread like wild fire. By October 22,
50,000 Millerites had accepted the idea, a couple months before Ellen
White had her first vision.
No documentation whatsoever is given for this point in the Documentation
Package offered at the end of the video.
#20: 1844 date still an error. No documentation whatsoever is
given for this point in the Documentation Package offered at the
end of the video. The reason is simple: The theological understandings of
those of any and every persuasion have yet to produce any valid objections
to the basic interpretations of Scripture that lead to this date. No
better date has been arrived at.
If the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 did not end in 1844, when did they end?
Actually, this question is premature. A better question to start with is,
When did the 490 days of Daniel 9 end?
Linguistically, Daniel 8 and 9 are tied together. In chapter 8, Daniel
says that "none understood" the "vision," even though
Gabriel had already explained every part of the vision to Daniel except
for the 2300 days of verse 14.
Actually, there are two different Hebrew words translated
"vision" in chapter 8: mar'eh and chazown. Chazown occurs
in verses 2, 13, 15, 17, and the last half of 26. Mar'eh occurs in
verse 16, the first half of 26, and 27.
When Gabriel says in verse 26 that the "vision of the evening and
the morning which was told is true," he provides the key to our
understanding the difference between the chazown and the mar'eh.
Literally, the Hebrew for "2300 days" in verse 14 is
"2300 evening-morning." So the vision or mar'eh of the
evening-morning must specifically refer to the 2300 days, while the chazown
refers to the entire vision.
Thus when Daniel said none understood the vision or mar'eh, he
was correct, for Gabriel had not gotten to explain the mar'eh of
the 2300 days yet. But in verse 16 Gabriel had been assigned the special
task of making Daniel "to understand the vision," or mar'eh,
of the 2300 days.
In chapter 9 Gabriel returns, "the man" "whom I had seen
in the vision" or chazown (vs. 21). Gabriel tells Daniel,
"Consider the vision," or mar'eh, the 2300 days. The rest
of what he says to Daniel in the chapter is connected to a time prophecy,
the prophecy of the 70 weeks, or 490 days.
One troublesome problem in chapter 8 is that there is no starting point
given for the beginning of the 2300 days. This problem is removed in
chapter 9: These time prophecies begin with the decree to restore and rebuild
Jerusalem.
Nearly everyone agrees that the first 483 days of the 490 days of
Daniel 9 end at some point in the ministry of Christ. Each day represents
a year (Ezek. 4:6; Num. 14:34).
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the
commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the
Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks. (Dan. 9:25)
Seventh-day Adventists begin the 490 years with the seventh year of
Artaxerxes, or 457 BC. In that year the Jews' autonomy was restored to the
point that they could even execute the death penalty against violators of
God's law (Ezra 7:7, 8, 26). Adventists begin the last seven years of the
prophecy with Christ's baptism in 27 AD, when He was anointed with the
Holy Spirit descending upon Him in the form of a dove (Luke 3:1, 22; Acts
10:38). Since the Hebrew word for "Messiah," and the Greek word
for "Christ" both mean "the anointed one," it seems
most logical to identify the coming of the Messiah of Daniel 9:25 with the
baptism of Jesus.
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for
one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and
the oblation to cease. (9:27)
When Christ died after a ministry of 3½ years (31 AD), the veil of the
temple was torn from top to bottom (Mat. 27:51). Thus Christ showed that
the sacrifices were to cease, since the true sacrifice for sin had been
offered.
This leaves but half a week left of the prophecy, 3½ years, stretching
to 34 AD. In Acts 7 we find Stephen being stoned as the first Christian
martyr. Immediately after this the gospel started going to non-Jews:
Samaritans, the Ethiopian eunuch, and the Roman centurion Cornelius, along
with his household. Since Gabriel said that the 70 weeks were especially
for Daniel's people, the Jews, it seems most logical to end the 70 weeks
with the stoning of Stephen. For one week (7 years) the gospel, the new
covenant, was confirmed with many, the Jewish nation: 3½ years during the
ministry of Christ, and 3½ years after his resurrection.
The first 490 days of the 2300 thus ended in 34 AD. The remaining 1810
years can be added to 34 AD to arrive at 1844 AD.
Before it can be said emphatically that 1844 is "an error," a
better interpretation than the above must be found. None has been found to
date.
The most popular alternative interpretation today is the following,
which is more complex than what was above, which should tell you
something: The first 69 weeks stretch from Artaxerxes's supposed twentieth
year in 445 BC to about the death of Christ, and the seventieth week is
yet future.
Sir Robert Anderson proposed multiplying the 69 weeks, or 483 days, by
360 days to the year, and then dividing this product by 365.25 days per
year. By this method he reduced the 483 years to just over 476 years, a
total of 173,880 days. But he mistakenly added three leap days too few,
owing to the difference between the Julian and the Gregorian calendars. He
then began the time period on March 14, 445 BC, what he supposed was the
first day of the first Jewish month of Nisan that year. Then he ended it
with April 6th, 32 AD, what he supposed was Nisan 10, Palm Sunday, the
week Christ was crucified.
The seventieth week of Daniel 9 Anderson's puts off into the future to
a yet unknown time.
Besides the problem of mistakenly adding three leap days too few (his
ending date should really have be Thursday, April 3 instead of Sunday,
April 6), there are other problems with Anderson's theory:
- Nisan 10 could not have been earlier than Wednesday, April 9 in 32
AD. Thus it could not have been April 6.
- Nisan 14, the Passover, when Christ would have died, would have been
on a Sunday or Monday in 32 AD, not on a Thursday as Anderson
supposed.
- The Jews of Elephantine used accession-year reckoning for
Artaxerxes. In other words, his first year was his accession year, and
his second year was called his "first year." This would make
his twentieth year really 444 BC, not 445 BC. So Anderson's starting
date was a year off.
- While we have record of a decree from Artaxerxes's seventh year (457
BC) in the seventh chapter of Ezra, we do not have record of a decree
from his twentieth year.
- Putting the seventieth week of Daniel 9 into the future ignores the
linguistic ties between chapters 8 and 9, and the resulting connection
between the 2300 days and the 490 days.
- The method of reducing the 69 weeks of 483 years to only 476 years
ignores the Jewish seven-year cycle.
Number 6 needs a little more explanation: The Israelites were to work
their fields for six years, and then let the land keep a sabbath for the
seventh year (Lev. 25:2-7). It is easy to see an
allusion to this practice in Daniel 9's "70 weeks," "7
weeks," "62 weeks," and "1 week." In fact, many
scholars of various persuasions have recognized such a connection.
The Adventist way of reckoning the 70 weeks begins them in 457 BC and
ends them in 34 AD. 457 BC was the first year of a seven-year cycle, and
34 AD was the seventh year of a seven-year cycle. Thus, when 31 AD is
identified as the date for Christ's crucifixion, the middle of the last
week of seven years, it truly is the precise middle of a seven-year cycle.
Back to the original point: Until a better interpretation is found that
fits all the data, it cannot really be emphatically stated that the 1844
date is an error.
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